New Kawasaki Z650

chas

Legendary Knight
Did everything
That's what I miss about late 70s bikes, you bought a bike and then put a touring fairing and panniers on if you were a tourer, Raask rearsets and clipons if you were a fast bastard, apehangers and a K&Q seat if you were a cruiser. Same bike.
And you rode it to work, went out on the weekend, went on holiday on it.
You just rode a bike.

Today's specialisms and the necessary outfits to accompany (aparra) interest me little. I'm still Jeans, shitkicking boots, leather jacket, gloves.
And a fast bike.
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
I could never bring myself to wear a full 'Sports' leather suit on a bike. Most of the time I'm not image conscious but I think that the race style suits can make you look like a complete plum, especially if you are of the portlier figure like myself. I saw someone selling an RST suit on Facebook and the chap selling it had photographed it with his pot bellied frame installed. There are some things that shouldn't be seen and, when seen can never be unseen! I do have armoured leather trousers but they are traditional style plain black and not skin tight but I actually prefer my waterproof camo armoured combat trousers.
 
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half ton

Legendary Knight
For balance, there is a shitload I do not miss too. Taking it for granted if it was raining that you'd lose a cylinder (tough shit if it was a single), seriously frightening brakes, speed weaves that would go lock to lock, the tyres......
It's a bloody long list ;)
Yeh but we survived and it built character......and the ability to not crap yourself when you grabbed a handful of shit brake (disc drilled by a mate) on plastic tires in heavy rain.........ahh them were the days :oops:
 

DD67

The Peace Keeper
Staff member
I've said this before...

Take someone that's only ever ridden bikes with traction control, rider modes, modern tyres & cornering ABS etc.
Shove them on a GS1000 & follow at a discreet distance with a dust pan & brush & the emergency services on speed dial 😳

Having said that. I guess folk that cut their teeth on bikes from the 1930's-1950's could say the same. About those of us that cut our teeth on 1960's-1970's bikes? But definitely much less so.
 

Sarky B’stard

Legendary Knight
I don’t miss weedy rock hard tyres with a rain allergy and bendy frames with pogo suspension. However, to pick up on el chas’ point, Triumph have taken the basic Bonneville and served multiple dishes from the same core ingredients. Maybe the problem is that all too few of today’s riders actually know how to wield a spanner and those that do then get defeated by the electrickery which needs more diagnostics than the average tool’s box 😉
 

chas

Legendary Knight
Coincidentally I've not long got off the blower with my mate Tiff, he of the Dommie and Enfield with his missus Himmy.
Em was finding the Himmy a bit pedestrian and last week they've picked up an import '77 Z650 for her to tool about on.
Looking forward to having a poke over it and an 'evaluation run' as nominated 'person who knows shit about Jap fours'
:D
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
I've got to say that all the electrickery on new bikes really turned my stomach when I came back to biking. ABS, Rider Modes etc. and a host of non-user serviceable 'black boxes' ain't what I want in a bike. I want that fly by the seat of yer pants feel that bikes of my youf had. Back in the day I rode bikes that were absolute basket cases and never had a problem. One of my favourites has to be a really beaten up 1981 (or at least some of it's parts were) Kawasaki KL250 which I bought from a fella called Knoxy from Kilmarnock. He had put this bike together because he was on the verge of losing his licence on his GSthou and promptly got done for doing 40mph in a zone which had recently changed to a 30mph zone without his knowledge on her and decided to sell her on. The bike was started with an old car toggle switch that, for security was plugged into a pair of crimp terminals so that it could be removed to stop people stealing the bike :D The forks were slightly twisted in one direction and the bars slightly twisted in the other, spokes were seriously rusted (I had two wheels collapse and I replaced them for ten quid a throw from the breakers in Ayr), the tyres were full off road knobblies, brake lever was snapped so was only about two inches long and the exhaust was a conical piece I cut from a silencer from a step-thru with a washer and a half inch of tubing welded on the end (no baffles) to make it look like a silencer (sounded like a Panzer on manoeuvres). The thing would do about 80mph and was incredibly docile. I frequently raced the wee dafties on their NSR125's etc. and left them in the dust and they often shit themselves when they saw me sticking a foot out in the bends to keep her upright when that big knobbly shod front wheel let go at speed. I swear that the few honoured people I allowed to have a shot on her (ZXR, GSXR, VFR pilots) suffered hair loss and hair whitening after just a short ride. How that bike got through an MOT I have no idea but I loved the thing.

I adore the fact that my 2001 Bonnie's are absolutely simple, apart from feckin bucket and shim valves and even my Sprint and Daytona are fairly simple apart from the Fuel injection system and basic on-board 'brain' and, once again, bucket and shim, pain in the ass, valve adjustment.
 
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Doc Strange

Legendary Knight
Maybe the problem is that all too few of today’s riders actually know how to wield a spanner ....

To be fair to the youngsters, I knew fuck all for very many years, and only very little now!

But it was all 'pick-up-able' provided you had a mate to show you - learning from Haynes wasn't viable.

Looking at the younger riders in my family, they range from the technically very able to one like I was.

DS
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
When my Bonnie wouldn't start after stopping in Inveraray I asked around the twenty or so rocket pilots in the car park if anyone had any tools. Not one of them had anything with them, not even the tool kit that most bikes come with and I doubt any of them would do more than phone the AA if their bike stopped working. Of course the Bonnie is the only bike I have ever owned that doesn't have a tool kit or even somewhere to stash a tool kit. To date (touches wood) I have never had a breakdown that I couldn't sort myself by the roadside although I sometimes had to get home to get tools. The worst I ever had was having toreplace a cylinder head after a dropped valve on my CB250RS by the roadside and even that only took a couple of hours. I remember years ago I met an old fellow who had several Vincent Comets and Rapides and he carried a pack including a piston and cylinder head when on longer runs and he claimed that in several decades and tens of thousands of miles he had never needed a recovery.
 

Sarky B’stard

Legendary Knight
To be fair to the youngsters, I knew fuck all for very many years, and only very little now!

But it was all 'pick-up-able' provided you had a mate to show you - learning from Haynes wasn't viable.

Looking at the younger riders in my family, they range from the technically very able to one like I was.

DS
My point was more of an observation than a criticism. It has just changed the nature of the average buyer and what they have come to expect. The average franchised dealer likely sees home mechanics as having a hand in their till. The average independent probably sees scope for profit from rescuing people who got in too deep!
 

Sarky B’stard

Legendary Knight
I've got to say that all the electrickery on new bikes really turned my stomach when I came back to biking. ABS, Rider Modes etc. and a host of non-user serviceable 'black boxes' ain't what I want in a bike. I want that fly by the seat of yer pants feel that bikes of my youf had. Back in the day I rode bikes that were absolute basket cases and never had a problem. One of my favourites has to be a really beaten up 1981 (or at least some of it's parts were) Kawasaki KL250 which I bought from a fella called Knoxy from Kilmarnock. He had put this bike together because he was on the verge of losing his licence on his GSthou and promptly got done for doing 40mph in a zone which had recently changed to a 30mph zone without his knowledge on her and decided to sell her on. The bike was started with an old car toggle switch that, for security was plugged into a pair of crimp terminals so that it could be removed to stop people stealing the bike :D The forks were slightly twisted in one direction and the bars slightly twisted in the other, spokes were seriously rusted (I had two wheels collapse and I replaced them for ten quid a throw from the breakers in Ayr), the tyres were full off road knobblies, brake lever was snapped so was only about two inches long and the exhaust was a conical piece I cut from a silencer from a step-thru with a washer and a half inch of tubing welded on the end (no baffles) to make it look like a silencer (sounded like a Panzer on manoeuvres). The thing would do about 80mph and was incredibly docile. I frequently raced the wee dafties on their NSR125's etc. and left them in the dust and they often shit themselves when they saw me sticking a foot out in the bends to keep her upright when that big knobbly shod front wheel let go at speed. I swear that the few honoured people I allowed to have a shot on her (ZXR, GSXR, VFR pilots) suffered hair loss and hair whitening after just a short ride. How that bike got through an MOT I have no idea but I loved the thing.

I adore the fact that my 2001 Bonnie's are absolutely simple, apart from feckin bucket and shim valves and even my Sprint and Daytona are fairly simple apart from the Fuel injection system and basic on-board 'brain' and, once again, bucket and shim, pain in the ass, valve adjustment.
I remember being staggered the lean angles you could achieve on well inflated Trials Universals if you abandoned all concern for tyre life.
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
Oh I tore quite a few knobbles off my knobblies during the life I subjected that machine to. Interestingly though they seemed to stand up to road use much better than the knobblies Henry Cole used on his Metisse in his ride through South Africa. Perhaps even knobblies ain't as tough as they used to be?

The KL250 finally died when I sold her on to a workmate who wanted her for true off-road use and he managed to rocket off the top of a large sand dune and snap the forks on landing.
 
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