Don the Don
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I wonder if those two greeny fuckwits they slithered up to had anything to do with that?
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The military that Krankie is talking about calling upon to help.
Would that be the independent Scottish military, or the British military?
MartytheMartian
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Oh that will be those nasty orrible British military types I think. Her pet dog 'Hamas Useless' in charge of health is seriously pissed off at the moment because the media caught him falling of his 'knee Scooter' at the Scottish Parliament. Couldn't have happened to a bigger tosser. Apparently he has damaged his achilles tendon and so has this daft thing on four wheels that you kneel on and was racing along the corridor shouting 'keep up' at his white serving boy who was running along carrying Useless's crutches and papers when he got it crossed up and went arse over tit in front of the cameras. I wouldn't be surprised if he claims that the publishing of the footage is a racist hate crime.
And he seems to agree
Don the Don
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As far as I have always known there are some Regiments that hold scottish names of old @Sarky B’stard is the man to give you the gen on this, they are part off the British Army, as for the other two "The ROYAL Navy & The ROYAL Airforce, well the jocks have no claim on them as our Queen is at the helm as in the Army, we up here had our pipes and drums and other jock type parafinalia but that just kept the locals happy, they would have had to submit a request to the MOD for supportThe military that Krankie is talking about calling upon to help.
Would that be the independent Scottish military, or the British military?
Don the Don
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Bastid should have broke his neck, Not had a good week myself with back issues it's little snippits like this that have made my day, That and the other things against the SNP this week and to top it the French getting fooked over those submarines and europe having issues all go to make for a pleasant bonus so to the french, the SNP and europe including my euro relatives I will be happy to say:
MartytheMartian
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I believe that the Scottish regiments of the army have their roots in being raised to serve the crown of Great Britain and Ireland and were never raised to oppose it or as anything other than regiments of the British Army. I wonder if, should the Snazi's get their independence, a Scottish regiment will be retained in the British Army but in a status like the Gurkha's or the French Foreign Legion.
Don the Don
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Let's hope it never comes to that
Sarky B’stard
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All units of the British Army have Royal affiliations. The oldest Regiment was, until amalgamation into the Royal Regiment of Scotland, the Royal Scots raised in 1633 allowing the Scots Guards and Coldstream Guards (1642 & 1650) to get a bit uppity. Note that ALL these units are/were Scots and raised in support of Stuart kings.
It then gets a bit ironic because of the succession that all the predecessor units of the Royal Regiment of Scotland in being in 1746 were on the winning side at Culloden e.g. Royal Highland Fusiliers (Glasgow raised!) but the Black Watch were kept in the Low Countries in case they switched sides….Most other ‘famous names’ were raised from 1760 onwards as the Empire expanded but Fraser’s Highlanders were present at Quebec in 1757 when the French were expelled from North America. The French have been sore ever since because at Plassey in the same year they lost India.
The British Army before the Royal Irish Rangers were merged with the Ulster Defence Regiment was full of Southerners unimpressed by the Republic’s forces….. so who knows what the future holds. Frankly it’s highly improbable the situation might arise. I speak not from complacency but the average Scot’s appreciation of the broad economics and SNP failures. There are no credible alternatives in the Indy camp.
And don’t forget we are a United Kingdom. HM has more than one Crown. The Honours of Scotland reside in Edinburgh Castle. The SNP hasn’t exactly declared if it is firmly monarchist or republican - something else to come clean about.
It then gets a bit ironic because of the succession that all the predecessor units of the Royal Regiment of Scotland in being in 1746 were on the winning side at Culloden e.g. Royal Highland Fusiliers (Glasgow raised!) but the Black Watch were kept in the Low Countries in case they switched sides….Most other ‘famous names’ were raised from 1760 onwards as the Empire expanded but Fraser’s Highlanders were present at Quebec in 1757 when the French were expelled from North America. The French have been sore ever since because at Plassey in the same year they lost India.
The British Army before the Royal Irish Rangers were merged with the Ulster Defence Regiment was full of Southerners unimpressed by the Republic’s forces….. so who knows what the future holds. Frankly it’s highly improbable the situation might arise. I speak not from complacency but the average Scot’s appreciation of the broad economics and SNP failures. There are no credible alternatives in the Indy camp.
And don’t forget we are a United Kingdom. HM has more than one Crown. The Honours of Scotland reside in Edinburgh Castle. The SNP hasn’t exactly declared if it is firmly monarchist or republican - something else to come clean about.
Don the Don
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Well put @Sarky B’stard and thanks for the history it certainly show's how unprepared the SNP are in divulging their true intent.
Culloden is not to far from me and today is always in the local news because of the fact that large swathes of it is being sold off for housing, a new war against Historic scotland and the council
Culloden is not to far from me and today is always in the local news because of the fact that large swathes of it is being sold off for housing, a new war against Historic scotland and the council
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I always thought the battle of Culloden Moor lasted for days.
Apparently it only took under 1hr for us to sort out those unruly Highlanders
For balance, here's a Jock take on it. With excuses about under nourishment of their troops etc. Unfortunately, the outcome for them was exactly the same.
This version has interesting similarities with the modern day SNP
Could they have been armed with whisky?
MartytheMartian
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Bonnie Prince Charlie's forces were pretty piss poor and, if I recall correctly, there were more French, Irish, English (yes English), Lowland Scots and Spanish in it than there were highlanders. Clan Campbell of Argyll was on the government side against him as were Clan MacLeod, Macdonald of Glengarry and many more. Bonnie Prince Charlie's forces were facing a well drilled army with plenty of cannon and musket and they were armed mainly with Swords, Dirks, Axes and whatever sharp or heavy tools they could lay their hands on. They didn't stand the slightest chance and it was a bloody massacre the aftermath of which did immense damage to all of Scotland. Of course Bonnie Prince Charlie didn't give even one shit about Scotland except as a source of men for his war machine and a place to base himself on mainland Britain. He was after the glittering prize of the whole of Britain and Ireland not Scotland.
@Sarky B’stard I thought the Coldstream Guards were originally formed by some bloke from Devon or Cornwall as part of Cromwell's New Model Army and made up of men from two other groups of NMA troops. I was always told that they weren't really Scottish and they only had the name Coldstream because that was where the regiment came into being.
@Sarky B’stard I thought the Coldstream Guards were originally formed by some bloke from Devon or Cornwall as part of Cromwell's New Model Army and made up of men from two other groups of NMA troops. I was always told that they weren't really Scottish and they only had the name Coldstream because that was where the regiment came into being.
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Sarky B’stard
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The honest truth is we don’t know where all Monck’s Regiment of Foot came from and they certainly marched from Coldstream having been involved in Scotland as early as 1650 at Dunbar but they effectively changed sides when Cromwell’s son Richard abdicated….. and marched South from Coldstream for the Stuart Restoration which would have enthused plenty Scots. The bit about rank & file between 1650-60 is all a bit vague.
All of which underscores the complete confusion in the wars of succession and religion that now tend to get called the Wars of the Three Kingdoms. It makes a nonsense of Jez’s ‘us’ and ‘them’ because the Jacobite army was a hotch potch from all over, as you rightly say, and the Highland elements ruthlessly romanticised from Sir Walter Scott to Robert Louis Stevenson. It’s about as straightforward as Irish history. The Hanoverian Army was full of Lowland Scots who regarded Highlanders as mostly cattle thieves. So a bit like Chelsea v Millwall.
All of which underscores the complete confusion in the wars of succession and religion that now tend to get called the Wars of the Three Kingdoms. It makes a nonsense of Jez’s ‘us’ and ‘them’ because the Jacobite army was a hotch potch from all over, as you rightly say, and the Highland elements ruthlessly romanticised from Sir Walter Scott to Robert Louis Stevenson. It’s about as straightforward as Irish history. The Hanoverian Army was full of Lowland Scots who regarded Highlanders as mostly cattle thieves. So a bit like Chelsea v Millwall.
Sarky B’stard
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It was Napoleon who coined the phrase ‘an army marches on its stomach’. He wasn’t wrong but French logistics were often shit. It isn’t just about morale (Napoleon: the moral is to the physical as 3 is to 1) but physical capacity. Even the US revised their MRE (meals ready to eat) when they heard their own troops describing them as meals rejected by Ethiopians….. It’s tea that makes English such killers! One lump or two?I always thought the battle of Culloden Moor lasted for days.
Apparently it only took under 1hr for us to sort out those unruly Highlanders
For balance, here's a Jock take on it. With excuses about under nourishment of their troops etc. Unfortunately, the outcome for them was exactly the same.
This version has interesting similarities with the modern day SNP
I have to admire the bravery of the Jocks though. Seemingly, they brought a knife to a gunfight but still had a go.
Could they have been armed with whisky?
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Do we not get any freedom of choice anymore?
Not a bad thing actually, works great in Canada.
Scrappy
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The thing is it should be choice, not forced upon us, I have never voted to be slowly poisoned. Most tooth pastes and mouth washes contain flouride, and people can choose to use them, I do, but I don't want to be drinking and ingesting the stuff also
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Only a handful of countries fluoridate their water—such as Australia, Ireland, Singapore, and Brazil, in addition to the United States. Western European nations have largely rejected the practice. Nonetheless, dental decay in Western Europe has declined at the same rate as in the United States over the past half century. In fact, the more one looks at the history of fluoridation, the more it appears to be a relic of the sort of mid-20th century scientific incaution that gave us DDT, thalidomide, and other attempts at “better living through chemistry.”
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The Departed
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The thing is it should be choice, not forced upon us, I have never voted to be slowly poisoned. Most tooth pastes and mouth washes contain flouride, and people can choose to use them, I do, but I don't want to be drinking and ingesting the stuff also
Toxic Treatment: Fluoride's Transformation from Industrial Waste to Public Health Miracle | Origins
While Florida calls itself the Sunshine State, from a geological and economic perspective, it could just as accurately be known as the Phosphate State. The so-called Bone Valley of central Florida contains some of the largest phosphate deposits in the world, which supply global agriculture with...origins.osu.edu
Only a handful of countries fluoridate their water—such as Australia, Ireland, Singapore, and Brazil, in addition to the United States. Western European nations have largely rejected the practice. Nonetheless, dental decay in Western Europe has declined at the same rate as in the United States over the past half century. In fact, the more one looks at the history of fluoridation, the more it appears to be a relic of the sort of mid-20th century scientific incaution that gave us DDT, thalidomide, and other attempts at “better living through chemistry.”
Don't swallow?
Doc Strange
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What is so good about that is that it isn't party political, it isn't left v right, it's balanced, clear and true!
The pop growth point, though well made, ignores the fact that it is estimated to peak by 2050, possibly sooner. Still be a bloody crowded planet though!
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