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MartytheMartian

MartytheMartian

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Forgot to say @DD67 the Orkneys and Shetland islands have been LibDem for years. The islanders up there actually say that, if Scotland obtains it's independence they want to then push for their own independence from Scotland as they don't consider themselves to actually be culturally or politically connected to Scotland. Of course, in the event the little bitch gets independence she would never let the Shetlands go as they contain important infrastructure for handling the famous oil that she claims will bolster the plummeting economy of an independent Scotland.
 
Sarky B’stard

Sarky B’stard

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MartytheMartian said:
Forgot to say @DD67 the Orkneys and Shetland islands have been LibDem for years. The islanders up there actually say that, if Scotland obtains it's independence they want to then push for their own independence from Scotland as they don't consider themselves to actually be culturally or politically connected to Scotland. Of course, in the event the little bitch gets independence she would never let the Shetlands go as they contain important infrastructure for handling the famous oil that she claims will bolster the plummeting economy of an independent Scotland.
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And there’s a pretty solid belt of blue right across the Southern Uplands from Irish to North Sea. There is no majority for independence outside Strathclyde and Dundee. Secession? 1,000 years ago I would have been living in the Kingdom of Northumbria. Borders are certainly not immutable.
 
Don the Don

Don the Don

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MartytheMartian said:
in the event the little bitch gets independence she would never let the Shetlands go as they contain important infrastructure for handling the famous oil that she claims will bolster the plummeting economy of an independent Scotland.
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What's to stop them doing exactly what she wants to do, they could set up their own independent nation and I hope they have the balls to do so
 
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Steve 998cc

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Think I'm going to put a tender together to build a big wall between us and the independant Jockystan. I guess they will be plundering our budget to help third world countries before to long.
 
Sarky B’stard

Sarky B’stard

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Just because the SNP restyled the Executive as a Government - deliberately to suggest equal standing - it doesn’t change the legal basis of the Scotland Act which is completely black & white about constitutional authority and what has/has not been devolved. It would be as cut and dried as the Catalan manoeuvring with Spain.

Ultimately it IS all about politics and don’t be deceived. Sturgeon, never mind the rest, no more wants a referendum than the rest of us. She knows she can’t win so there’ll be predictable huffing and puffing and ‘you can’t deny the people of Sco’land’ shite BUT no referendum just pantomime.

Johnson and BREXIT are short term baiting tools but the more interesting thing is the coming fight (it’s already started) within the SNP between the pragmatists and the nutters and they haven’t even got properly aligned yet. Salmond is badly wounded and Cherry is lying low but Party finances are shot and there’s a whole host of chickens about to come home to roost at Holyrood. It might even have dawned on Sturgeon that, like Cameron, she doesn’t want to ‘do this shit’ because she can see it going horribly wrong and her copping the blame. The SNP may split bigger than the wee Alba fart.....

I expect masses of sound and fury signifying nothing as the Bard once wrote.
 
Flynnt20

Flynnt20

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Do any of our brother over the border believe if NS get a chance to implement a vote to go their separate ways from the rest of the UK she would get enough votes to do it ? Just wondering what the feeling " on the street " is , Scotland is not my home country and its up to the Scottish people how to vote but personally i think its a stupid idea that will/may backfire extremely quickly
 
Sarky B’stard

Sarky B’stard

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My gut feeling and the polls say, if anything, less support than 2014. The nutters can’t be reached by reason. They flat dispute the official numbers produced in Scotland that show the gap between income and outgoings. The 8% don’t knows overwhelmingly break for the status quo and with Brexit materially over it isn’t the same issue. Currency IS a massive issue and the moment the SNP get sucked into specifics they get crucified on the detail. Not now, not yet, but soon..... meanwhile they kill business confidence but apparently that’s Westminster’s fault. Their record will eventually weigh on them but more immediately they will struggle to keep the nutters on board......

Moderately hopeful today’s results will show another minority administration but hopefully with minimal Greens.
 
MartytheMartian

MartytheMartian

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The strange thing is that almost everyone I have spoken to of late around my area of the world don't want to see a split, hard border, end of the Union etc. and can't see any way that an independent Scotland would be better than what we have and the ones who are in favour are quite frankly people who are and never were the brightest. As it stands Scotland is part of a land that is sixty million odd strong with a good cross section of resources etc. where, as a separate country, we would be a nation of six million of which something like a third are in education, retired or unemployed so the tax and national insurance income is pretty small, industry isn't exactly a huge sector, financial business would undoubtedly have to move south as the customers wouldn't want their money in a fledgling country that will be in turmoil and so many things would be in turmoil for years.

Basically anyone in Scotland who isn't a fool or choosing to believe in a fantasy can see that Independence would mean decades of turmoil, financial hardship and enmity between Scotland and the people of England who I quite frankly don't blame for being thoroughly sick of all the 'noise' the blue-faced mob are making.

I despair of the stupidity of the human race in general and the Scottish people in particular!
 
MartytheMartian

MartytheMartian

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Part of me would like to see the people of England now put pressure on the PM demanding that he force a lasting and final Indyref on Scotland. One all wrapped up in legal and binding rules especially stating that, should Scotland leave the Union there will be absolutely no going back should the 'great experiment' fail. I reckon Sturgeon will thoroughly shit herself if she's actually given what she claims to want.
 
Tallpaul

Tallpaul

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MartytheMartian said:
Part of me would like to see the people of England now put pressure on the PM demanding that he force a lasting and final Indyref on Scotland. One all wrapped up in legal and binding rules especially stating that, should Scotland leave the Union there will be absolutely no going back should the 'great experiment' fail. I reckon Sturgeon will thoroughly shit herself if she's actually given what she claims to want.
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Much as I dislike the idea of this separation, I think those who voted for SNP and Greens should have the opportunity to experience Scotland as an independant nation. I have a great affection for the Scottish people in general and am a descendant of Clan Graham. But I would suggest that Boris promotes a period of Independant living by observation and auditing wee Nikkis books. He should suspend the extra spending money granted by the Barnett Formula, which was, after all only a temporary measure, now a permanent one. Also all the rent paid on our military bases and the tax offices etc. After maybe 3 years, the results could be swiftly analysed to see how it went and THEN grant a second referendum which would be binding with no return.
 
Sarky B’stard

Sarky B’stard

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Far too complicated and expensive to implement and the nutters would still deny the numbers.

Canada enacted this:

  • Giving the House of Commons the power to decide whether a proposed referendum question was considered clear before the public vote;
  • Specifically stating that any question not solely referring to secession was to be considered unclear;
  • Giving the House of Commons the power to determine whether or not a clear majority had expressed itself following any referendum vote, implying that some sort of supermajority is required for success;[13]
  • Stating that all provinces and the First Nations were to be part of the negotiations;
  • Allowing the House of Commons to override a referendum decision if it felt the referendum violated any of the tenets of the Clarity Act;
  • The secession of a province of Canada would require an amendment to the Constitution of Canada. (We don’t have one!)
 
Scrappy

Scrappy

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France on the brink?

First its ex-generals warning of civil war: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56899765

Now its serving military personel: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57055154

I had heard that the media is under restrictions on reporting the scale of the problems in France, and that there is a plan and narrative in place if it all kicks off to blame any trouble/violence on the "far-right", and from reading both of the above from the BBC it suggests that they are already trying to spin it that way 🙄
 
Sarky B’stard

Sarky B’stard

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France has huge immigrant problems with Chechens having shoot ups with Eritreans or whatever and no go areas for policing. The politicians have refused to grasp the nettle and Marine Le Pen looks increasingly like a shoe in. HugeArse will ***t himself that reality has bitten and his liberal politics are directly responsible for unsustainable rates of immigration. The problem is seldom the fact of immigration but speed and numbers. The latter encourages self declared apartheid.
 
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