Politics.........

[Tallpaul]

Wanksock needs to be recalled by his constituents and shown the door.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

Wanksock needs to be recalled by his constituents and shown the door.

That can only happen after a successful conviction. Given the number and positions of fellow travellers, if not co-conspirators, I am not holding my breath. I believe tomorrow’s Sunday Times are on the case. Long overdue……

 

[BAD LUCK DUCK]

Problem is who would folks suggest as an alternative? Nicola Sturger? Keir Starmer? Diane Abbot? Theresa May? They are all feckin' shite, every single last one!

Diane Abbott...I wanna see the Queen's face when they have their first weekly meeting and Diane says look I know you and Diana's don't get on but black lives matter...
I wonder if the queen would order all the silver to be locked up and install extra CCTV and bodyguards in case she gets mugged...
I'm not stereotyping..I'm just saying with certain folks crime rates go up and that's a fact..
Of course I'm talking about politicians that are overweight and not referring to anything else at all...
Shit I just thought..What if Diane Abbott told the Queen she as to bow before her instead of the other way around or get 20 years in prison for being racist..cor blimey chief I could go on and on with this one..
The mind boggles

 

[Doc Strange]

I think the clock needs turning back, what chance has any party got when a decision is made and there are so many hurdles to jump through to get things done and also avenues to appeal. we need a government with balls "NO" Europe you can feck off, "NO" Sturgeon you had your referendum so feck off, "NO" BLM or woke bastids you are not going to demonstrate and cause a disturbance you will be deported you feckers.



It's okay I am just having a tantrum must be the wrong time of the month

I agree there is too much red-tape and too many 'further appeals', which hold up a lot of policy implementation - I thought Blair should have built new nuclear power stations back in the 90s, now that horse has bolted and we might as well not bother.

And yep, sovereignty and the final decisions should be a matter for the UK alone.

But I'm not really sure how you could get 'strong' government again and keep it accountable. Would you want a 'strong' but unaccountable Corby regime for example?

But what you're describing is the symptom not the problem I feel - the problem is we are too much a 'house divided against itself', and simply polarising that further won't solve anything.

As I said, it'll need something external to bring us together again - like Hitler did when he bombed us.

DS

 

[Don the Don]

I agree there is too much red-tape and too many 'further appeals', which hold up a lot of policy implementation - I thought Blair should have built new nuclear power stations back in the 90s, now that horse has bolted and we might as well not bother.

And yep, sovereignty and the final decisions should be a matter for the UK alone.

But I'm not really sure how you could get 'strong' government again and keep it accountable. Would you want a 'strong' but unaccountable Corby regime for example?

But what you're describing is the symptom not the problem I feel - the problem is we are too much a 'house divided against itself', and simply polarising that further won't solve anything.

As I said, it'll need something external to bring us together again - like Hitler did when he bombed us.

DS

You are probabley right we are so diluted these days we just argue against ourselves, as for something external well we had better start building for it now but I don't think we have the caliber of person in this land in such numbers to save our necks

 

[Sarky B’stard]

I agree there is too much red-tape and too many 'further appeals', which hold up a lot of policy implementation - I thought Blair should have built new nuclear power stations back in the 90s, now that horse has bolted and we might as well not bother.

And yep, sovereignty and the final decisions should be a matter for the UK alone.

But I'm not really sure how you could get 'strong' government again and keep it accountable. Would you want a 'strong' but unaccountable Corby regime for example?

But what you're describing is the symptom not the problem I feel - the problem is we are too much a 'house divided against itself', and simply polarising that further won't solve anything.

As I said, it'll need something external to bring us together again - like Hitler did when he bombed us.

DS

Blair ducked the nuclear decision in 1997 to avoid a ruckus with his own lefties and kept ducking it until 2007 when Brown took over. He was even less susceptible to rational argument about independent electrical supply. Cameron chose the rights means but the wrong supplier. Nincompoops!

 

[Doc Strange]

You are probabley right we are so diluted these days we just argue against ourselves, as for something external well we had better start building for it now but I don't think we have the caliber of person in this land in such numbers to save our necks

You sure? I know the media presents one picture, but when I look at the 'kids' in my family and amongst my friends, most of whom are old enough to have kids of their own, I see a pretty decent bunch of young people.

Yeah, I have a couple of friends with snowflake kids and silly names, but on the whole I see the next generation as capable enough.

Our generation have to stick to our values, pass on what we can and, as you say, start building for it now.

I cut short almost all political conversations these days by simply refusing to discuss anything with anyone who doesn't understand the coming conflict with China is the thing that will shape their kids and grandkids lives more than anything else - I ain't interested in arguing over trivia.

DS

 

[Don the Don]

You sure? I know the media presents one picture, but when I look at the 'kids' in my family and amongst my friends, most of whom are old enough to have kids of their own, I see a pretty decent bunch of young people.

Yeah, I have a couple of friends with snowflake kids and silly names, but on the whole I see the next generation as capable enough.

Our generation have to stick to our values, pass on what we can and, as you say, start building for it now.

I cut short almost all political conversations these days by simply refusing to discuss anything with anyone who doesn't understand the coming conflict with China is the thing that will shape their kids and grandkids lives more than anything else - I ain't interested in arguing over trivia.

DS

I don't see most of the ethnics wanting to stand up for GB but Lets hope I am wrong

 

[Doc Strange]

I don't see most of the ethnics wanting to stand up for GB but Lets hope I am wrong

The most integrated and those who traditionally do will, like the West Indians and the Sikhs.

Secular Muslims generally will, as will any Hindu Indians.

Religious Muslims will be the interesting group - but the Chinese Communist Party is no friend of Islam, despite being chummy with Pakistan. China can very well be the enemy of both the West and Islam.

As soon as we are out of Afghanistan, arming the Taliban and getting them active against China and supporting their Muslim brothers in Xinjiang should be something the West does.

My enemies enemy is my friend on this one

DS

 

[chas]

The most integrated and those who traditionally do will, like the West Indians and the Sikhs.

Secular Muslims generally will, as will any Hindu Indians.

Religious Muslims will be the interesting group - but the Chinese Communist Party is no friend of Islam, despite being chummy with Pakistan. China can very well be the enemy of both the West and Islam.

People born and bred here are generally protective of where they were born and bred.

As soon as we are out of Afghanistan, arming the Taliban and getting them active against China and supporting their Muslim brothers in Xinjiang should be something the West does.

My enemies enemy is my fried on this one

DS

There's a lot of history of this tactic and it's a coin toss as to whether it plays out well. Mugabe was inserted on the basis of he was a bastard but 'our' bastard.
The hand that feeds oft gets bitten.

 

[MartytheMartian]

I think that the entire world outside of China has been superbly divided and is ready to be conquered. The Chinese must be pissin' themselves. They are already cornering all the resources in Africa and building their autobahns through Pakistan ready for when the tanks start rolling. They are a machine and I expect a proper blitzkrieg when they fire up their engines.

The whole world outside of China is fractured and rudderless and it's lack of control that has done it not too much control. Pandering to ever smaller minorities, a culture where celebrity is all even if it's for debasing yourself and appearing to be an utter tosser, mixing and diluting cultures and communities. It's dEvolution and the western world is becoming stupider.

I always find it peculiar when people promote immigration and claim they want to see integration while promoting 'multi-culturalism'. Surely if you want a multi-cultural world homogenising cultures does the opposite?

In the words of Jello Biafra "This world brings me down, I'm looking forward to Death".

 

[Sarky B’stard]

You sure? I know the media presents one picture, but when I look at the 'kids' in my family and amongst my friends, most of whom are old enough to have kids of their own, I see a pretty decent bunch of young people.

Yeah, I have a couple of friends with snowflake kids and silly names, but on the whole I see the next generation as capable enough.

Our generation have to stick to our values, pass on what we can and, as you say, start building for it now.

I cut short almost all political conversations these days by simply refusing to discuss anything with anyone who doesn't understand the coming conflict with China is the thing that will shape their kids and grandkids lives more than anything else - I ain't interested in arguing over trivia.

DS

I agree. The problem is one of leadership and corrupted politics. John Bull just hasn’t been roused in a while but this Covid shite has stirred him somewhat.

 

[Scrappy]

I agree. The problem is one of leadership and corrupted politics. John Bull just hasn’t been roused in a while but this Covid shite has stirred him somewhat.

Me too!

However I firmly believe that the breakdown of British culture and the dilution of achievement was planned and orchestrated, being boosted in the 90's by Blairs government an has been accelerating ever since, aided by other groups with their own agendas.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

Me too!

However I firmly believe that the breakdown of British culture and the dilution of achievement was planned and orchestrated, being boosted in the 90's by Blairs government an has been accelerating ever since, aided by other groups with their own agendas.

But no Machiavellian master plan just naked short term electoral ambition without regard to the consequences. Just look at Devolution as yet another exercise in unintended consequences. Meanwhile the SNP are engaged in the same empty identity politics and are bricking themselves because they have created an expectation they can neither fulfil nor presently want.

 

[Doc Strange]

People born and bred here are generally protective of where they were born and bred.


There's a lot of history of this tactic and it's a coin toss as to whether it plays out well. Mugabe was inserted on the basis of he was a bastard but 'our' bastard.
The hand that feeds oft gets bitten.

Agree & agree.

I don't think arming the Taliban would make them an ally as such, just a bigger problem to our enemy.

DS

 

[Don the Don]

Agree & agree.

I don't think arming the Taliban would make them an ally as such, just a bigger problem to our enemy.

DS

Arming any insurgents will eventualy come back and bite us in the ass we should have left all these nations wiping their arrses on stones lets get our nation sorted and prepared for anything

 

[Doc Strange]

I agree. The problem is one of leadership and corrupted politics. John Bull just hasn’t been roused in a while but this Covid shite has stirred him somewhat.

Yep, our strength is the ordinary man and woman in the street - our leadership only occasionally rises to the challenge.

But no Machiavellian master plan just naked short term electoral ambition without regard to the consequences.

Yep, fuck-up rather than conspiracy explains problems I tend to find - the arseholes, just ain't that good at it, whether where I work, politically in the UK or globally!

DS

 

[Doc Strange]

Arming any insurgents will eventualy come back and bite us in the ass we should have left all these nations wiping their arrses on stones lets get our nation sorted and prepared for anything

I would see that as preparing

I strongly suspect that it is China, through it's allies like Russia, that is stirring up the divisive currents running through the West at the moment. Pushing false agendas and rattling folks' prams on the interweb is so easy.

DS

 

[Scrappy]

I would see that as preparing

I strongly suspect that it is China, through it's allies like Russia, that is stirring up the divisive currents running through the West at the moment. Pushing false agendas and rattling folks' prams on the interweb is so easy.

DS

I believe that initially it may have been started by Russia back in the 60s/70s, and then other groups (both domestic and international) have recognised the symptoms of what was happening, and utilised the situation for their own agendas further increasing and accelerating the problem. Certainly now China is involved, but I believe there are a also few other groups/ideologies contributing, and some are both heavily funded and at the same time being used/promoted by other political groups.

IMO the West and western culture is under seige from multiple attackers, some using other groups as useful idiots in a similar manner to what has occured previously in history. If I'm right (I think I am ) then its just a shame more people do not recognise it.

 

[MartytheMartian]

While I do suspect that China and Russia have been fanning the flames I think the real cancer is inside the West. As time has gone on more and more of the essential structures and rules of our society have been attacked using the weapon of the law with the Discrimination and human rights laws being the most useful tools in the arsenal. Whether it's criminals fighting for softer treatment in prison (it has turned from punishment into rehabilitation) or Homosexuals, Lesbians, Transexuals etc. fighting for their own individual rights and drug users pushing to be allowed to enjoy their drugs without them being illegal each assault on the law weakens the entire structure and now it's all crumbling to the extent that even the governments who are supposed to lead and be in charge face being hog tied by the law and thwarted in everything they try to do to shore up the structure of our society. We have been thoroughly divided by the desires of people within our own society and the West is now ripe for conquering by people who have no truck with the rights of the individual.