And yet it's more expensive at the pump. Go figure.
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Foxy
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Same as lager and bitter.
Before the advent of modern turbo diesel engines. Diesel powered vehicles were horrible sluggish things to drive & diesel was cheaper.
As soon as the government realised how popular diesel vehicles had become. Up went the price of the fuel
Don the Don
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And I bet they have something in mind for the Electric vehicle brigade at a later dateBefore the advent of modern turbo diesel engines. Diesel powered vehicles were horrible sluggish things to drive & diesel was cheaper.
As soon as the government realised how popular diesel vehicles had become. Up went the price of the fuel
Pretty sure we were all told that modern diesels were the way forward. So we all (or many of us) bought them, then they whacked the price up.Before the advent of modern turbo diesel engines. Diesel powered vehicles were horrible sluggish things to drive & diesel was cheaper.
As soon as the government realised how popular diesel vehicles had become. Up went the price of the fuel
Like a drug dealer giving his punters a free taste before taking every penny they've got.
IMHO, modern diesels are still genuinely the way forward.
Mrs DD's 2010 Focus is a prime example of a planet saving vehicle. 12yrs on it's still giving sterling service & undoubtedly it still has at least another 100,000 miles left in it. It'll easily return over 60mpg on a run. It doesn't need a rest for 4hrs every 200 miles whilst it sucks in power from the national grid. It hasn't needed a new battery pack at treble the value of the vehicle itself. No child labour was required to mine the raw materials of its power source.
At 12yrs old the Focus has probably already out lived the life expectancy of an EV?
How can all of that not put it ahead of an EV in terms of efficiency? And therefore give it a gold star in the planet saving dept
MartytheMartian
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I seem to recall that for quite some time Diesel was promoted because it was more 'energy rich' than petrol and so was more economical and allegedly better for the environment and then, once a few million more diesels had been sold they turned round and said 'sorry we were wrong and Diesel is actually more polluting and harmful for the environment' and so hiked the price of Diesel right up and even said they would outlaw diesels so that everyone bought Petrol cars again. Then people realised the better MPG figures for diesels really outweigh the higher price of Diesel over petrol and so a lot of people went back to Diesel. I am sure exactly the same trick will be pulled with Electric once they feel they have maxed out the sales potential.
Scrappy
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IMHO, modern diesels are still genuinely the way forward.
Mrs DD's 2010 Focus is a prime example of a planet saving vehicle. 12yrs on it's still giving sterling service & undoubtedly it still has at least another 100,000 miles left in it. It'll easily return over 60mpg on a run. It doesn't need a rest for 4hrs every 200 miles whilst it sucks in power from the national grid. It hasn't needed a new battery pack at treble the value of the vehicle itself. No child labour was required to mine the raw materials of it's power source.
At 12yrs old the Focus has probably already out lived the life expectancy of an EV?
How can all of that not put it ahead of an EV in terms of efficiency? And therefore give it a gold star in the planet saving dept
Absolutely agree. It is today's throw away culture that is a big contributor to environmental damage, which is promoted by the manufacturers to sell more unnecessary products, and they accelerate this by making new products increasingly more difficult to maintain, plus some suspicion of built-in obsolescence to assist, whilst those same manufacturers virtual signal and pretend to have some high moral concern for the environment and planet.
The most environmentally friendly strategy has got to be to maintain existing vehicles for as long as possible, and diesel vehicles can last for an incredibly long time if maintained.
Tallpaul
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Follow the money, as always...................
Sarky B’stard
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Erm, don't think there's any material difference between fuels in the actual cost of refining. There are differences between types of crude and how much tar/diesel/kerosen/petrol/etc., you proportionately get from each but the actual cost of refining is the same. What's NOT the same is the price you can command or where the fuel comes from because of a lack of refining capacity and hence relative scarcity/price between fuels.
Refineries cash in as petrol prices soar
A lack of capacity to process crude oil has helped to drive fuel prices to record levels
www.bbc.co.uk
Old Nick
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Even with the disparity of price between Diesel and Petrol (about 14p a litre?) the modern diesel is still much cheaper to run than an equivalent petrol vehicle from MPG through servicing costs and Road Tax
Futures definitely diesel unless of course we get taxed the fuck out of it…..
Futures definitely diesel unless of course we get taxed the fuck out of it…..
Sarky B’stard
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Cost of purchase and depreciation still weigh in favour of petrol despite mpg advantage. My little garden tractor even runs on petrol!
Sarky B’stard
Legendary Knight
And one for Marty
I remember seeing adverts in Autotrader etc for cars described as having been involved in a "Light roll"
That'll be fine then. As long as it wasn't the kinda roll where the vehicle rolled over & almost every panel hit the ground?
MartytheMartian
Legendary Knight
You want to see some of the 'projects' for sale online and the prices ...... Four grand for a 1960's Enfield Constellation 'barn find imported from the US of A' and looking like it's been under water for the last sixty years before being cannibalised as well and, from what I read, the Constellation wasn't even a very good bike when it was new.
Big Sandy
Legendary Knight
I once got in an argument with a limp wristed greeny twat over my use of (his words) " A massively polluting outmoded form of transport" IE, my Land Rover.
I will take outmoded on the chin. But my response to him was that it was completely recyclable, had parts fitted after I reconditioned them that were in some cases 20 or 30 years older than the vehicle itself, and even though it only managed about 28mpg as an average, it had been around long enough for it's carbon footprint to be considerably less than the energy required to make a new eurobox.
He was looking a bit flummoxed at this point...so I asked him about his shiny new eurobox. Where did his stereo system come from? Argos, he says.... I point out that it's made in China, and will have travelled here in a container in a huge ship that burnt many hundreds of gallons of fuel to bring it here.
I then offered to show him my other carbon footprint. IE my foot on his arse.
I will take outmoded on the chin. But my response to him was that it was completely recyclable, had parts fitted after I reconditioned them that were in some cases 20 or 30 years older than the vehicle itself, and even though it only managed about 28mpg as an average, it had been around long enough for it's carbon footprint to be considerably less than the energy required to make a new eurobox.
He was looking a bit flummoxed at this point...so I asked him about his shiny new eurobox. Where did his stereo system come from? Argos, he says.... I point out that it's made in China, and will have travelled here in a container in a huge ship that burnt many hundreds of gallons of fuel to bring it here.
I then offered to show him my other carbon footprint. IE my foot on his arse.
Old Nick
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Talking of ‘project’ bikes, Henry Cole has a new series (?) about restoring and selling on old bric a brac, and he had a T120 chop this week, rebuild, dodgy seat, several dents, awful satin black paint job, and he was certain it was worth £4.000 - this would have been a £150 basket case in the 80’s
BUT if people pay that money for them, you can’t blame people selling ‘em
……at ridiculously inflated prices
BUT if people pay that money for them, you can’t blame people selling ‘em
……at ridiculously inflated prices
MartytheMartian
Legendary Knight
The weird thing is that there is a fairly small difference between a scrapper basket case 'project' and a gleaming fully re-built bike. As an example you can look up Royal Enfield Constellations and find that 'projects' can cost three or four grand from a dealer and nice well turned out examples cost three to five grand private sale. I notice that pretty much most old Brit bikes don't really command prices over about seven grand with only Vincents and Brough's really bucking the trend.
Sarky B’stard
Legendary Knight
It'll be one of those wrecks the Mafia buried victims in in Lake Mead which is now drying up.