Pets

[Doc Strange]

I'm very glad that Poppy is working out so well for you guys Marty
But 99% of the time, in my experience miniature breeds are an aggressive nightmare.
The smaller the breed the more unreasonable & aggressive they are. The Jack Russell is a prime example. As a small dog bred to kill other small furry vermin. It's superb at that but crap at controlling its temper around other much larger dogs.
Both of my previous EBT's suffered multiple attacks from similar handbag dogs. Fortunately they were placid enough to allow me to kick said handbag dog across the park to stop the "attack"
It always went down badly with the other dog owners though. Even though me launching their dog potentially saved their pet being torn to shreds!
When my dogs finally realised the micro dogs attack wasn't just rough play.

Funny, was discussing Jack Russells the other day. My experience of them had always been that they were horrible little shits.

But then a mate who's spent all his life in farming got one, takes it everywhere with him at work and it's lovely. And our gas fitter, who is also a farmer, has one he brings out on jobs - again lovely.

I've now concluded that the ones I'd met before just hadn't been raised well - they clearly need stimulation and to be involved a lot with their owners.

DS

 

[Steve 998cc]

I had a £300 vets bill to put right the damage a Jack Russell did to my lurcher. They had been playing for about 10minutes chasing each other round a field. My dog came and stood by my bored with the game that little tw*t came round the backof me and underneath and bit him up his chest and throat. it was lucky it wasn't his last attack when my dog picked it up by the kneck and was about about to dispatch it to doggy heaven but he put it down when told to leave. The Jack Russell was ordered to be put down after 2 further attacks on other dogs. They are mostly nasty bad tempered little bastards my dog doesn't give them any chance any more.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

Like people, all breeds get the odd psycho one! None of them come with badges!

 

[MartytheMartian]

I think owners have a lot more to do with how their dogs behave than they imagine. A long time ago I realised that he was taking his cues from me and, when I tensed up because someone was coming near when we were out walking and I was worried that Shuggie would go for them, he picked up that I was tense and assumed that the person approaching was a threat and so went for them. A vicious circle. When I realised that and stopped worrying about him chewing on people he stopped chewing on people. Now a neighbour here has a Westie and that is simply a psycho. They have a fence around their garden about four feet high and made of those thin strips of wood with no gaps like they make cheap sheds out of and they often leave the dog out there. Whenever the thing hears a noise or someone passing by it goes crazy throwing itself headfirst at the fence over and over again. Been doing it for years and I reckon it must be brain damaged.

 

[Doc Strange]

I think owners have a lot more to do with how their dogs behave than they imagine.

Nail hit on the head there!

DS

 

[Steve 998cc]

Bad behaviour travels down the lead not up it. Mine was a rescue took us about 6months to get him right after the way his furst owner had treated. he isn't perfect but is great with people and good with most breeds of dogs.

 

[DD67]

 

[DD67]

Laugh out loud funny! ...

 

[DD67]

I know that a Police dog isn't a pet as such. But I'm still glad the guy was shot before he could shoot the dog...

 

[half ton]

Arsehole got what he deserved...I watch a guy called donut operator on YouTube, he raised several thousand dollars for stab proof vests for police K9s as police budget doesn't cover supplying them.

 

[Doc Strange]

An unusual opinion I know, but I don't think we should have police or military dogs or if we do, then admit that we are as morally complicit in any injuries they receive as those who inflict them.

Weaponising an animal is wrong, whoever does it - a drug dealer, the police or the military.

Now you might argue it is necessary, and it might be - but we should be honest enough to admit that it is wrong too.

Animals don't 'volunteer; it is the same as using underage human fighters.

DS

 

[DD67]

An unusual opinion I know, but I don't think we should have police or military dogs or if we do, then admit that we are as morally complicit in any injuries they receive as those who inflict them.

Weaponising an animal is wrong, whoever does it - a drug dealer, the police or the military.

Now you might argue it is necessary, and it might be - but we should be honest enough to admit that it is wrong too.

Animals don't 'volunteer; it is the same as using underage human fighters.

DS

You make a very valid point Doc.
I'd never considered it as "weaponising" a potentially unwilling participant?
But yeah, you're right they don't volunteer for the role.
However I'm sure they enjoy the training & get pleasure from pleasing their master/handler

 

[MartytheMartian]

I wonder if letting a dog hunt down 'prey' isn't perhaps more of a natural role for a dog than being a pet. Nature is red in tooth and claw and not allowing dogs to chew people is perhaps the unnatural option of course organisations such as PETA believe that it's not right for anyone to have a dog even as a pet let alone as a tool such as a guard or sheep dog. I believe that they even wanted to euthanise 'stray' dogs in the past rather than force them back into an unnatural life of servitude to humans although I don't know if it's still the way of things. Is a guard dog 'weaponised'? or a Sheepdog? After all a guard dog is being forced to defend property and a Sheep dog is being forced to bully sheep to do things against their will.

 

[DD67]

I wonder if letting a dog hunt down 'prey' isn't perhaps more of a natural role for a dog than being a pet. Nature is red in tooth and claw and not allowing dogs to chew people is perhaps the unnatural option of course organisations such as PETA believe that it's not right for anyone to have a dog even as a pet let alone as a tool such as a guard or sheep dog. I believe that they even wanted to euthanise 'stray' dogs in the past rather than force them back into an unnatural life of servitude to humans although I don't know if it's still the way of things. Is a guard dog 'weaponised'? or a Sheepdog? After all a guard dog is being forced to defend property and a Sheep dog is being forced to bully sheep to do things against their will.

A mate of mine (the pretentious tw@t from the doctored whisky with TCP in it story)
hates dogs. He claims it's because he believes that they should never have been domesticated. The truth is he's such a ponce & he doesn't like the fact that dogs invariably smell a bit doggy.

When I had Fogarty my Westie. We were in the kitchen chatting & eating chocolate cake. When we'd finished I put the plates on the floor for Fogarty to lick clean. Then without cracking a smile I put them straight back into the cupboard. You should have seen my mates face. He was absolutely mortified and swore never to eat or drink anything at my house ever again!

Obviously the plates were washed up properly when he left. However, I never felt the need to tell him that

 

[MartytheMartian]

I used to know a chap, an old shepherd and he actually never washed his dishes, just got the dog to lick them clean after he'd had his grub and put 'em away. Old fella never got sick which always amazed me.

 

[Steve 998cc]

I've worked with patrol dogs and drug dogs and thier handlers. The handlers take exceptional care of thier dogs and for the main are a member of thier family. Most are not a threat to any one untill told to be I have been gratefull on several occasions for 100lbs of German Sheppard coming to mine and other staffs aid. Most of the dogs I have known lived with there handler and family including young children. I have worn a sleeve to help with training and never been hurt. The people they take down deserve no sympathy because they have no hesitation to hurt/kill innocent people or staff what ever uniform they wear.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

I've never met a dog with morals; bitches all too often.

 

[Scrappy]

I used to know a chap, an old shepherd and he actually never washed his dishes, just got the dog to lick them clean after he'd had his grub and put 'em away. Old fella never got sick which always amazed me.

I thought I'd call my next dog 'Prewash'

Murphy my current dog, gets most upset if he can't lick breakfast and dinner plates but they do go in the dish washer straight afterwards.

 

[Doc Strange]

However I'm sure they enjoy the training & get pleasure from pleasing their master/handler

I don't doubt that and have met several well-adjusted and happy police dogs. However, aspects of that training can be much more brutal than a civilian dog would normally be put through.

I wonder if letting a dog hunt down 'prey' isn't perhaps more of a natural role for a dog than being a pet.

Dogs would normally hunt in larger packs and not something capable of easily killing them - think wolves on sheep.

After all a guard dog is being forced to defend property and a Sheep dog is being forced to bully sheep to do things against their will.

I have less of a problem with that as firstly it's passive, well at least until it gets aggressive, and it is very close to a dog's natural sense of protecting its patch.

I've worked with patrol dogs and drug dogs and thier handlers. The handlers take exceptional care of thier dogs and for the main are a member of thier family. The people they take down deserve no sympathy because they have no hesitation to hurt/kill innocent people or staff what ever uniform they wear.

Totally agree - have known dog handlers who have loved their dogs no different to other owners - more so often because of the working bond.

And I'm not saying this because of sympathy for the folks taken down - although dogs are used by bad guys as much as good - but out of sympathy for dogs put in dangerous situations they would normally not have encountered.

Funny, I've had quite aggressive comebacks when I've expressed that opinion elsewhere, but here it's all thoughtful, even when disagreeing

DS

 

[DD67]

Funny, I've had quite aggressive comebacks when I've expressed that opinion elsewhere, but here it's all thoughtful, even when disagreeing

DS

That's because contrary to the opinions held about us on our previous home.
We are genuinely more than happy to listen to the views of other folk.
As long as they don't shout us down when we have an opinion that they disagree with.
Our mindset is my idea of being a genuine liberal. Not the ill-iberal, virtue signalling pr!ck variety

It really ain't rocket science is it