War with China/Russia

HV66

Sword of Fenrir
The problem is that what is being made clear now to even the most naive voter is that, not just do we have a poor PM we also have a parliament which is made up of people who have no loyality and not even a sense of 'let's pull together for the sake of the country' but are simply bottom feeding scum who will pull down their own leader and devour his corpse if they sense a chance that they might become PM even if it means the country turns to shit while they are at it and God alone help us if that twat Starmer and his collection of morons profit by it. The Labour party succeeded in making themselves unelectable under Corbyn and Starmer and now the Cons have gone the same way. I don't believe there is a single MP, MSP or whatever the Welsh parliament call themselves who has a single grain of loyalty to the land and it's people and only want their own face in the trough. Democracy is dead in the UK as it is in the USA as well.
In the main I agree but there are a few in there that do have morals and are there for all the right reasons, they work hard for their communities because that is what they really care about..........but they harbour no ambition for the limelight or leadership (think David Amess). Unfortunately they are very much in the minority compared to those that are there to line their own pockets or grapple their way to the top.
 

Old Nick

Legendary Knight
I'm trying to balance out my latent oldgittery but I truly believe it wasn't this bad twenty or thirty years ago.

I used to be able to respect my political foes. I cannot now.

I also struggle with my allies.
I suspect it has always been the same, 20 or 30 years ago social media and access to infotainment wasn’t as prevalent as they are now(y)
 

Doc Strange

Legendary Knight
Oh I think they keep the good stuff for domestic use and feed the West the shit and laugh at us while we lap it up. The big question is how much of our war machine is built with Chinese made electronics.

Nah, my experience of domestic stuff is the same as exported - it's either a real bargain and works forever, or falls apart really quickly. Consistent quality control is their biggest challenge.

DS
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
I see the first four B-52s have arrived in the UK from the USA on 'routine bombing exercises'. Once the Russki's and Chinkie's have finished congratulating each other on how many Gold medals they have blagged at the Winter Olympics the excrement is gonna hit the fan.
 

Doc Strange

Legendary Knight
Interesting to see the brave American Ambassador team have run away from Kiev:unsure:

Unlike ours…..

Ukraine tensions: Russia invasion could begin any day, US warns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60355295

Are they harnessing their French ancestry?

A reasonable argument I heard around this was that getting people out is a good idea as it means you don't get casualties from minor escalations that force your hand, and returning them also gives you an easy signal of de-escalation.

DS
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
Just ten more days until Kick-off. It seems the US now expect Russia to be able to seize Kiev almost instantly once the whistle blows for commencement of operations.
 

Old Nick

Legendary Knight
A reasonable argument I heard around this was that getting people out is a good idea as it means you don't get casualties from minor escalations that force your hand, and returning them also gives you an easy signal of de-escalation.

DS
Not sure I’d agree with that Doc, pulling back to the Polish border is effectively telling the Russki’s that the US is handing the capital over - will be seen as weakness of Allies and NATO

Pulling out the ‘Military’ I agree with because if US/NATO and Russian forces start shooting at each other a world of pain is inevitable

But leaving ‘Civilian’ forces behind (who may have had a recent career in special forces) leaves the door of ‘deniability’ open whilst remaining in some control

I suspect Vlad will be laughing his socks off as he’s now split the US from its allies
 

Sarky B’stard

Legendary Knight
The whole thing and the way it's being talked up is plain odd. Vlad will not be laughing at US air power and don't imagine the B52s carpet bombing like Vietnam but rather launching stand off waves of cruise missiles at key targets like C4I nodes and flying up the gaps in air defences.

I am far from convinced it will happen. I'd expect subversion somewhere else first! Biden can barely speak but his tongue has long been forked too.
 

Sarky B’stard

Legendary Knight
Got to ask - what’s a C41 node??
Sorry. Jargon! C4ISTAR

UK military talk of Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Information/Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance - basically all the decision making elements and supporting technology.

Think of it as the Head as opposed to the Body and then decapitation as a way of removing the brain and nervous system...... it makes subsequent amputation of limbs and vital organs much easier.
 

Old Nick

Legendary Knight
For the more analytical members interesting article on foreign currency reserves, gold reserves, and nations debt from last August showing Russia and China have become major economic powers with national debt of USA potentially a major stumbling block for their economy

https://www.russia-briefing.com/new...mpared-with-china-and-the-united-states.html/

If you look at the price of gold over the last three months it’s been going up, as has the Ukrainian issue:unsure:

Wondering if there could be a link…..
 
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