What's Boiling Your Pi$$ Today?

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
When the contract is up on our Motability car I will be looking to buy us something old. The motability car takes every penny that the Missus gets just to have it and then it sits in the driveway 99% of the time and, if it does turn a wheel, mainly to take her to Hospital appointments, I pay all the fuel costs definitely not value for money.
 

Big Sandy

Legendary Knight
When the contract is up on our Motability car I will be looking to buy us something old. The motability car takes every penny that the Missus gets just to have it and then it sits in the driveway 99% of the time and, if it does turn a wheel, mainly to take her to Hospital appointments, I pay all the fuel costs definitely not value for money.
Safest option to be honest. I know it’s nice to have a reliable euro box sat in the drive, and if it breaks down it’s not your problem…. But it’s a lot of money constantly leaving your hands.

Thing was, the worse my Mrs got, the less we’d use the vehicle, so like Marty says, it was sat there costing money, doing nothing. Legally I was only really allowed to drive it with her on board, or if I was going out to do something for her. So I could go out for a box of plasters for her, and that was legitimate use…crazy. Obviously I combine trips, no trip out is a short journey…

If you use an older vehicle the same way, but keep on top of maintenance, it’s gots to work out cheaper. Helps if you’re handy, and it’s pretty obvious Marty is.

I know where there’s a nice clean Range Rover……😏 Not a spot of rust on it. My mate in South Africa is selling his….
 

Big Sandy

Legendary Knight
I will be looking to buy us something old.

I know the guy selling this….. 2 large starting bid, though. Plus he’s in scallyland.
 

chas

Legendary Knight
I will be looking to buy us something old.
Slightly parroting @Big Sandy in the selective quote you need to find the sweet spot (I'm not quite sure where it lies now) of vehicles that have plenty of life left, are easily repairable and don't have any 'classic/cult' status. Fifteen year old used to be a good bargain point, you'd find cars that the owner of a high value car had become exasperated with the ten year old car hit of new discs all round, a clutch or some other big bill and then getting hit with, say, a new alternator decide to out an 'unreliable' car for less than a grand.
Despite fuel prices what they are older, heavier, more thirsty cars are generally better overall value. Bigger cars have more metal and break less.
If you're interested in a particular model, keep an eye out on the roads and see how many of the same model five years older than you're looking at are floating around. Buying the car will be your smallest expense, in four years of ownership I've now spent more on servicing my car than buying it. They're always going to cost money but if my car transport costs (Purchase, servicing, repairs but aside fuel) can be done for less than a grand a year I think that's ok. I'm on about 600 quid a year on mine but that's part luck.
 

DD67

The Peace Keeper
Staff member
Slightly parroting @Big Sandy in the selective quote you need to find the sweet spot (I'm not quite sure where it lies now) of vehicles that have plenty of life left, are easily repairable and don't have any 'classic/cult' status. Fifteen year old used to be a good bargain point, you'd find cars that the owner of a high value car had become exasperated with the ten year old car hit of new discs all round, a clutch or some other big bill and then getting hit with, say, a new alternator decide to out an 'unreliable' car for less than a grand.
Despite fuel prices what they are older, heavier, more thirsty cars are generally better overall value. Bigger cars have more metal and break less.
If you're interested in a particular model, keep an eye out on the roads and see how many of the same model five years older than you're looking at are floating around. Buying the car will be your smallest expense, in four years of ownership I've now spent more on servicing my car than buying it. They're always going to cost money but if my car transport costs (Purchase, servicing, repairs but aside fuel) can be done for less than a grand a year I think that's ok. I'm on about 600 quid a year on mine but that's part luck.
The past couple of years have thrown up never before seen scenarios for vehicles residual values.
My Ford is coming up for 3yrs old. Yet it's worth more than I paid for it. The same goes for the sunny days car Merc. The exact same vehicle will cost you a minimum of £5000 more than I paid 16 months ago.

It's very bizarre, but I'm definitely not complaining 🙂
 

chas

Legendary Knight
The past couple of years have thrown up never before seen scenarios for vehicles residual values.
My Ford is coming up for 3yrs old. Yet it's worth more than I paid for it. The same goes for the sunny days toy car Merc. The exact same vehicle will cost you a minimum of £5000 more than I paid 16 months ago.

It's very bizarre, but I'm definitely not complaining 🙂
I've got to find a car for the missus by December. I'm not looking forward to extending the process which has so far been....

What about A?
No
What about B?
Don't like those
What about C?
I hate those
*wavy screen moment to denote passing of time*
What about F #257?
What were you thinking?

I'm sure we'll narrow it down ;)
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
I have noticed that bike prices seem to be highly unpredictable at the moment. I struggled to sell the Sprint and talking to a couple of dealers I'm told that bikes in the 'sports' category from about 2000 to 2010 are very hard to shift and you are lucky to get a grand or more for them even in mint, low miles condition. But a knackered 90's Blade or R1 will fly out the door for silly money.

In the case of the Royal Enfield's I have been hunting the prices secondhand are high but the bikes are not selling well above the two grand mark but a knackered one will shift for fifteen hundred or more dependent on model and age. Meanwhile everyone in the Royal Enfield groups seems to be going crazy for the slew of recent 350's and looking to sell their Classic 500's and earlier 350 and 500 Bullets to buy them but then there are an awful lot of the new 350's on the secondhand market with hardly any miles on them which suggests that some people fall out of love with them very quickly.
 

gazzatriumph

Legendary Knight
I have noticed that bike prices seem to be highly unpredictable at the moment. I struggled to sell the Sprint and talking to a couple of dealers I'm told that bikes in the 'sports' category from about 2000 to 2010 are very hard to shift and you are lucky to get a grand or more for them even in mint, low miles condition. But a knackered 90's Blade or R1 will fly out the door for silly money.

In the case of the Royal Enfield's I have been hunting the prices secondhand are high but the bikes are not selling well above the two grand mark but a knackered one will shift for fifteen hundred or more dependent on model and age. Meanwhile everyone in the Royal Enfield groups seems to be going crazy for the slew of recent 350's and looking to sell their Classic 500's and earlier 350 and 500 Bullets to buy them but then there are an awful lot of the new 350's on the secondhand market with hardly any miles on them which suggests that some people fall out of love with them very quickly.
I looked for the new 350's for sale on internet but couldn't find many, non on ebay, 3 on auto trader, at least one was an ex demo, 3 on MCN one is on autotrader too and the other two from same dealer one more than likely a demo. The 350 won't be for everyone I wasnt sure at the start although loved the looks, but got better once ran in.
 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
Don't misunderstand me @gazzatriumph I'm not saying that the bikes are bad or anything of the sort. I actually opted for an 'Iron Barrel' because I wanted as close as I could get to an old Royal Enfield with all it's foibles and problems and the original Bullet which was finally discontinued in 2008 is, according to what I've read, essentially the 1955 Bullet with little to no 'developments' added. I contemplated the recent selection of 350's but discounted them as too modern and too smooth but, and I think this also applies to the Classic 500 models, a lot of people buy Royal Enfields without really understanding the brand and that the bikes are not two wheeled rocketships. They require an appreciation for a type of motorcycling that doesn't involve cutting up everything on four wheels and scenery that is nothing but a blur.
 

Don the Don

Legendary Knight
I think you will find that all newish bikes are back up for sale regardless of make or model, as this situation regarding cost of living get's worse you will see more and more items being returned from contracts and that includes vehicles, TV contract's like netflix ect ect folk will struggle to live at the same level so something has to go, even LIDL have decided to remove the middle isle with things likes tools and non food items as folk have a choice fancy goods or food and lecky or gas, wait till October comes and the shit hits the fan
 

Don the Don

Legendary Knight
Don't misunderstand me @gazzatriumph I'm not saying that the bikes are bad or anything of the sort. I actually opted for an 'Iron Barrel' because I wanted as close as I could get to an old Royal Enfield with all it's foibles and problems and the original Bullet which was finally discontinued in 2008 is, according to what I've read, essentially the 1955 Bullet with little to no 'developments' added. I contemplated the recent selection of 350's but discounted them as too modern and too smooth but, and I think this also applies to the Classic 500 models, a lot of people buy Royal Enfields without really understanding the brand and that the bikes are not two wheeled rocketships. They require an appreciation for a type of motorcycling that doesn't involve cutting up everything on four wheels and scenery that is nothing but a blur.
Always remember @MartytheMartian without the development hardly any manufacturers would be in business now, Enfield had to move forward with new models to exist and meet strangling legislation that is as we know all crap and hype, if they just relied on your preferred choice they would be doomed, we are well aware of your ideal bike but each to his own it's the variety that makes motorcycling exiting and what it is and don't forget Enfield had to change as the old tooling was fooked and the bikes showed it, I think they have done well and become a world player.

 

MartytheMartian

Legendary Knight
I totally get the situation @Don the Don and the new bikes seem to be really hitting the spot with a lot of people who want 'classic' looks without 'classic' problems. The 'classic' market is very small and largely populated by masochistic perverts like me who want their bike to be rattly and challenging to maintain and ride. I think that Royal Enfield are doing very well with their modernised image but a lot of people in this era of even small family cars being able to exceed 100mph without much trouble, find a bike that tops out at 70mph or so is a bit of a shock and that is why some don't stay in the hands of their new owners for long. The pattern with Enfields was around pre-Covid with loads of Classic 500's for sale barely run in.

The weird thing is that a good, Iron Barrel Royal Enfield from the 2000-2008 period, will fetch anywhere beteen two and five thousand quid but last week a beautiful and immaculate 1948 Enfield 500 was for sale and the asking price was just £5,400 so the original Redditch built machine, in immaculate chrome fully professionally re-built is little more valuable than an Indian built standard model and, in general the vintage bikes haven't really gone up much in value in the last thirty years with only a few exceptions like Velocette Thruxtons, Vincents and Brough's.
 

Tallpaul

Legendary Knight
My riding buddy Dave, 62, has had cancerous waterworks for some years. Following an operation and some chemo he went into remission and then clear for the last 5 years. During lockdowns, his 6 monthly checks were suspended and he started feeling unwell again and with increasing problems having a pee. 3 weeks ago, he woke up early hours, bursting and in severe pain, failed to pass a single drop. He telephoned for an ambulance and was told ETA 6 hours. He struggled out to the car and drove himself the 6 miles to hospital, parked behind some ambulances and crawled to the front door , where he collapsed. Waking up 3 hours later, they had inserted a canula and drained his bladder, which was pink with blood. He was discharged later that day with instructions to open the valve every 2 hours. Move forward another 2 weeks and he woke up in the night thinking that he had wet the bed due to open valve. No, it was sweat, running a very high temperature, the district nurse came out to him and suspected a urinary tract infection. She called the rapid response unit who eventually rocked up 4 hours later and hospitalised him again. A course of some pretty pokey antibiotics were pressed into his hands and he was discharged again. Operation on his prostate in maybe 3 months...............

Darren, 52, with an 8 year old son, was having severe stomach pain over Christmas and repeatedly visited his GP for referral and diagnostics. Eventually at the end of April, following a collapse in the toilet at home, he was hospitalised and given the necessary scans. Bowel cancer in an advanced stage. July they finally operated and fitted a stoma. He is part way through a chemo cycle with 20% chance of it working. If it does, he then has a 50% chance of living another 5 years.

Mother in law 97, has a fall and breaks her hip. Operated on within 12 hours and making a great recovery..................

Boil, boil, boil................................
 

gazzatriumph

Legendary Knight
My riding buddy Dave, 62, has had cancerous waterworks for some years. Following an operation and some chemo he went into remission and then clear for the last 5 years. During lockdowns, his 6 monthly checks were suspended and he started feeling unwell again and with increasing problems having a pee. 3 weeks ago, he woke up early hours, bursting and in severe pain, failed to pass a single drop. He telephoned for an ambulance and was told ETA 6 hours. He struggled out to the car and drove himself the 6 miles to hospital, parked behind some ambulances and crawled to the front door , where he collapsed. Waking up 3 hours later, they had inserted a canula and drained his bladder, which was pink with blood. He was discharged later that day with instructions to open the valve every 2 hours. Move forward another 2 weeks and he woke up in the night thinking that he had wet the bed due to open valve. No, it was sweat, running a very high temperature, the district nurse came out to him and suspected a urinary tract infection. She called the rapid response unit who eventually rocked up 4 hours later and hospitalised him again. A course of some pretty pokey antibiotics were pressed into his hands and he was discharged again. Operation on his prostate in maybe 3 months...............

Darren, 52, with an 8 year old son, was having severe stomach pain over Christmas and repeatedly visited his GP for referral and diagnostics. Eventually at the end of April, following a collapse in the toilet at home, he was hospitalised and given the necessary scans. Bowel cancer in an advanced stage. July they finally operated and fitted a stoma. He is part way through a chemo cycle with 20% chance of it working. If it does, he then has a 50% chance of living another 5 years.

Mother in law 97, has a fall and breaks her hip. Operated on within 12 hours and making a great recovery..................

Boil, boil, boil................................
The NHS isn't in a good place, the whole country is fcked, mainly imo due to the overreaction to covid and ridiculous lockdowns and we still have endless illegal immigration on top those coming here legally. Glad I'm the age I am but fucked if I need hospital treatment.
 

gazzatriumph

Legendary Knight
Don't misunderstand me @gazzatriumph I'm not saying that the bikes are bad or anything of the sort. I actually opted for an 'Iron Barrel' because I wanted as close as I could get to an old Royal Enfield with all it's foibles and problems and the original Bullet which was finally discontinued in 2008 is, according to what I've read, essentially the 1955 Bullet with little to no 'developments' added. I contemplated the recent selection of 350's but discounted them as too modern and too smooth but, and I think this also applies to the Classic 500 models, a lot of people buy Royal Enfields without really understanding the brand and that the bikes are not two wheeled rocketships. They require an appreciation for a type of motorcycling that doesn't involve cutting up everything on four wheels and scenery that is nothing but a blur.
You didn't put down the bikes, I was just curious to see if there were a load of the new classic 350's for sale but I could only find a few and they've sold alot. I've just been out on mine and it's much different now its been run in, I can see why people would get rid of them before they are run in as they do sound a bit ropey and a 1000 miles is alot to keep under 50 mph, but they smooth out as they clock up the miles. In Devon they are perfect, but not ideal for long motorway or even some long dual carriage way riding.
 
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