War with China/Russia

[Holy Shit]

I just feel waves of nausea at the blatant attempts to manipulate opinion with all this Churchillian guff. You can bet your bottom dollar the Biden's commercial interests are being looked after unlike the apparent confusion between State and DoD over Polish MIGs never mind stories of more off-shored biolabs and **** knows what else.

My abiding worry is that we have so many shitheads at the controls from a beleaguered Putin via a Bonking Boris to White House senility with shirt arse Macron capering to keep up relevance for his own re-election campaign and a whole Bundestag & Rat of bought & sold mini oil & gas sheiks.

I pray they have the wit to let Putin flounder and founder without intervening in a way that reconfigures the entire shooting match and brings the Russian people in behind him..... Russia simply cannot occupy Ukraine if they keep resisting. They have neither the troops nor the wonga.

I hope you’re right although the Ukrainians need to take out the Ruski artillery.The problem is that unless taken out by his own people,mad Vlad the bad will have to resort to more desperate measures,unless the west are getting their message through to the Russian people in which case as I suspect many are hoping,there is an implosion from within.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

Russians love their artillery. They fired more weight of shells in the battle for Berlin than anything dropped by the Western Allies. It's how they make war. Massive indiscriminate barrages to destroy morale.

 

[MartytheMartian]

I see the Russki's are now claiming that they have discovered Biological Weapons facilities in Ukraine and implied that it's a US run project but, of course, they just happen to have destroyed all the evidence! I think those assholes have been swallowing Putin's shite so long they don't know what it is to think for yourself and that most people with even half a brain don't believe their thin tissue of lies.

 

[smib]

I see the Russki's are now claiming that they have discovered Biological Weapons facilities in Ukraine and implied that it's a US run project but, of course, they just happen to have destroyed all the evidence! I think those assholes have been swallowing Putin's shite so long they don't know what it is to think for yourself and that most people with even half a brain don't believe their thin tissue of lies.

Think we swallowed the same shit with Sir Tony Blair's so called weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

 

[MartytheMartian]

Well I don't think many of us swallowed it @smib we just didn't manage to stop him. There were plenty of folks who went on marches and the like at the time, I was there myself, but the Yanks were calling the shots and Blair just came up with his best lies to justify the UK taking part. I don't think there were a lot of folk in the UK who believed an attack by a terrorist organisation hiding in Afghanistan warranted attacking Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

 

[smib]

Well I don't think many of us swallowed it @smib we just didn't manage to stop him. There were plenty of folks who went on marches and the like at the time but the Yanks were calling the shots and Blair just came up with his best lies to justify the UK taking part. I don't think there were a lot of folk in the UK who believed an attack by a terrorist organisation hiding in Afghanistan warranted attacking Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Agree. I know its a completely different scenario to what is going on in Ukraine... But whoever makes the descision will have to live with it. I hope sir Tony doesn't sleep at night. The unwarranted death of British military sent to appease the US will hopefully go with him.... ?

 

[chas]

unless the west are getting their message through to the Russian people in which case as I suspect many are hoping,there is an implosion from within.

I would hope that is where most of the West's chips are placed. I would also hope that the Ukrainian resistance forces are getting a whole bunch of support that is unreportable and unreported.

 

[smib]

I would hope that is where most of the West's chips are placed. I would also hope that the Ukrainian resistance forces are getting a whole bunch of support that is unreportable and unreported.

The CIA have been there for months I would think.
Name the conflict, be it Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, South America ... The list goes on, and will do on the future...

 

[DD67]

Some potential good news re fuel prices

BBC News - Oil prices plunge as UAE supports supply boost

Ukraine war: Oil price rises again due to fears over Russian shortfall

There is confusion over whether major oil producers will help to plug a gap in supplies from Russia.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Old Nick]

Some potential good news re fuel prices

BBC News - Oil prices plunge as UAE supports supply boost

Ukraine war: Oil price rises again due to fears over Russian shortfall

There is confusion over whether major oil producers will help to plug a gap in supplies from Russia.

www.bbc.co.uk

I just posted the exact same link in the fuel thread

Great minds and all that

 

[DD67]

I just posted the exact same link in the fuel thread

Great minds and all that

Check out my reply from 30 seconds ago Nick

 

[DD67]

This is a tough call...

BBC News - Absent UK soldiers may have travelled to Ukraine, British Army says

Absent UK soldiers may have travelled to Ukraine, British Army says

The Army says it's "actively and strongly encouraging" the soldiers to return to the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

On the one hand they signed up to obey a chain of command without questioning orders. And definitely not go AWOL.
On the other hand they'll be very useful to the civilian fighters in Ukraine.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

I just posted the exact same link in the fuel thread

Great minds and all that

I wouldn't go THAT far

 

[Sarky B’stard]

This is a tough call...

BBC News - Absent UK soldiers may have travelled to Ukraine, British Army says

Absent UK soldiers may have travelled to Ukraine, British Army says

The Army says it's "actively and strongly encouraging" the soldiers to return to the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

On the one hand they signed up to obey a chain of command without questioning orders. And definitely not go AWOL.
On the other hand they'll be very useful to the civilian fighters in Ukraine.

It's not a tough call at all. They are stupid little prats.

Firsty, they are not at liberty to give themselves orders to go to Ukraine. That's completely at odds with their terms of Service. If they didn't intend to ever come back it would be desertion but we charge AWOL because the intent to miss Monday morning parade is a doddle to prove.

Secondly, and this is the really important bit, they provide a fig leaf for Putin because killed, captured or filmed as serving soldiers they provide 'proof' for Putin that NATO 'is behind it' and everything he said about cleansing Ukraine was true. It's not what we think that matters but what ordinary Russians think.....

And they will have been told.

 

[DD67]

BBC News - North Korea recently tested intercontinental missile system: US

North Korea recently tested intercontinental missile system: US

The US says the two recent tests were a 'serious escalation' and vows to further sanction N Korea.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MartytheMartian]

World War Three has already begun gentlemen. It may not seem like it because the only actual fighting so far is in Ukraine but it has begun, via sanctions, and via the internet but it has started and it's going to get very hot, very soon. The Russians seem to be hellbent on going to hell and they are in a hole they can't get out of now short of surrendering the entire Kremlin and they ain't gonna do that.

 

[Scrappy]

Remember Wuhan?

 

[Sarky B’stard]

World War Three has already begun gentlemen. It may not seem like it because the only actual fighting so far is in Ukraine but it has begun, via sanctions, and via the internet but it has started and it's going to get very hot, very soon. The Russians seem to be hellbent on going to hell and they are in a hole they can't get out of now short of surrendering the entire Kremlin and they ain't gonna do that.

Why do you think it 'started' in Ukraine?

 

[Holy Shit]

At least there is evidence of criticism of the conflict on Russian TV which is hopeful.
A soldier spoke out saying that Russians were dying and that this could be worse than Afghanistan,he was of course shouted down by the host.

 

[Old Nick]

Interesting article from the Independant, are Russia doing as badly as we are being told? Certainly they don’t appear to be doing well on the basis that the aims of the Russian attack are the ones we are assuming….

But the areas of red on the maps are certainly growing and the huge column outside Kiev seems to have gone, but where???

https://apple.news/AxKmQOymBTDe4BepiOChGrQ