MICK60
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Nothing to do with our generous benefits system, free housing, education, and medical care, obviously.
Don the Don
Legendary Knight
Don't forget we still have this issue on in our land we should clean up our own backyard first
1,200 died while homeless in UK in 2021 | Homelessness - Jnews
More than 1,200 people in the UK died while homeless in 2021, a 32% increase on the previous year, as cuts to mental illness, drug and alcohol, and housing
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chas
Legendary Knight
Seeing people sleeping in shop doorways is a phenomena I've only seen in the latter part of my life. It's disgusting for a civilised society.Don't forget we still have this issue on in our land we should clean up our own backyard first
1,200 died while homeless in UK in 2021 | Homelessness - Jnews
More than 1,200 people in the UK died while homeless in 2021, a 32% increase on the previous year, as cuts to mental illness, drug and alcohol, and housingjnews.uk
And there is not really the 'either/or' thing of foriegn aid. It's simply a lack of will from those in power (no political bias) to actually do something about it because it's a messy problem. And not a votewinner. So the poor bastards fall through the cracks.
I've been close enough to the fissures to know 'there but for the grace of god'. There's too many complacent people who think it's self inflicted/laziness/addiction that puts people on the streets so the hump of 'swing voters' that parties target don't give a shit. Hence there's no money to sort it.
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Old Nick
Legendary Knight
Your right Marty and that’s the thing that needs to change
As @Doc Strange mentioned above what we are seeing now is just the tip of the ice berg it is going to get much worse in the future which is one reason I am happy to see the government maintain the over seas aid budget to support Southern Hemisphere countries solve their immediate problems
MartytheMartian
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I do think we have a terrible double standard in this country which was bred into the conscious of the public in the nineteen eighties where every British single mother was 'scum of the Earth' who only got pregnant to get a Council house, every unemployed person was a 'dole dodger', 'Junkie', 'Alkie' or other undesirable to be despised and every homeless person was homeless by their own fault whereas every foreigner who washes up on our shores is a poor victim of circumstance to be helped, fed, housed and given a job. If only the well to do could be half as compassionate with their own fellow Britons as they are for foreigners we would have a much better society. Socialism as enacted by New Labour is far from 'Social' and unfortunately the divisions of the eighties where Labour continually made out that the unemployed and poor were the fault of the Conservatives while the press turned them into people to be despised did nothing but split our society even further. The middle classes don't like looking on their own doorsteps and admitting that their own society is far from perfect and they might just be to blame though.
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Scrappy
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What really boils my piss is that immigration has cost this country dearly, not only in loss of culture, crime, housing shortages, etc, but the immense financial cost, and all of this solves nothing. It does not increase the standard of living for those in the countries that the immigrants are coming from, it just depresses or reduces the overall standard of living for people here. The money would be better spent keeping those people in their own countries, but improving the infrastructure and standard of living in those countries, then everyone benefits.
gazzatriumph
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Multiculturalism has been a massive failure. Immigration should have been capped/controlled decades ago. I've no problem with controlled Immigration but because of the failures of previous governments its now got to the point where it needs to stop. I live in Devon and they are ripping up the farm lands to build houses on, and alot will be bought by councils like Manchester Birmingham and Liverpool and will send their crap down here which they have already done and is causing problems with crime rising. Devon is paying a price for the housing shortage in the UK and they still keep ferrying them in.
Scrappy
Legendary Knight
Absolutely agree. Not only do we not have proper energy security, we won't have food security soon (if we still do
), as with all the immigration and wind/solar farms there soon will not be enough agricultural farm land left to provide a fraction of the UK food requirement. It's f#ucking madness! And then in a few years time when climate change is proved to be a total load of bollox, and we face world wide colder temperatures, there will be famine on a global scale and millions dying of starvation and conflict driven by competition for food and resources. That is my Nostradamus bit for the day
Sarky B’stard
Legendary Knight
They appear to have dug in around Chernobyl. Incredibly stupid and ignorant because they will likely have ingested/inhaled alpha particles from dust and disturbed soil. These can't penetrate your skin but inside the body wreak havoc. We would put troops in respirators to drive through contamination, not stop & wash it off at the first opportunity.
It's a damning indictment of their hazard appreciation.....just leaves me slack jawed.
It's a damning indictment of their hazard appreciation.....just leaves me slack jawed.
Doc Strange
Legendary Knight
Doc Strange
Legendary Knight
Yep, a crazy idea in the first place.
You go to a new place to live, you assimilate.
Don't matter if you're a Brit going to Spain or a Pakistani coming here.
Doesn't mean you have to lose your old culture, the Irish, Jews, etc. haven't, but you accept that you are in a different one.
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MICK60
Legendary Knight
It solves nothing though, doe's it. A select few, grab most, if not all, of the money, and live like kings on it. Most of the countries are backwards, tribal societies, who are perfectly happy to slaughter each other with machette's, for no reason, other than they are a different tribe. They have been receiving £billions every year, for all of my lifetime, and fuck all has changed. Apart from them all making their way over here now. Mass sterilisation, is what is needed,Your right Marty and that’s the thing that needs to change
As @Doc Strange mentioned above what we are seeing now is just the tip of the ice berg it is going to get much worse in the future which is one reason I am happy to see the government maintain the over seas aid budget to support Southern Hemisphere countries solve their immediate problems
Old Nick
Legendary Knight
At the risk of going waaay off topic I’m afraid most of that simply isn’t true Mick, none of those Southern Hemisphere Countries are backwards (Africa, South America, Southern Asia) and if you visited any of their capitols you would be hard pressed to see much of a difference between them and any European Capitol, where they do suffer is in development of basic infrastructure whether transport and communication links or health care and education within the interior of the Country that is accessible by the majority of the population
Mass movement of populations is driven by three events, drought, famine, or war apart from those people tend not to move from their homeland and universally are worried about the same issues - enough food on the table, dry shelter, access to health care, access to education
In fact exactly the same things we worry about!
And I can assure you no one anywhere is wandering around slaughtering anyone with machete’s for no reason anywhere (except the likes of ISIS who don’t really count because they’re a sect not a Country)
Whilst our aid budget goes some way to supporting development of internal infrastructures notably health and education it also funds a lot of advocacy work to convince governments that democracy is a valid way of administering a Country
No true democracy has ever suffered a famine because it’s government ensures it’s populace is provided for
Having said all of that corruption is the elephant in the room and a lot of advocacy work is directed at addressing that particular issue even to extent that many Humanitarians advocate withholding aid to particularly corrupt Governments in the hope that the populace will overthrow them
Old Nick
Legendary Knight
I’m wondering whether the Ukrainian army is going to end up being one of the best equipped in the world
They’re getting a load of high tech weaponry from UK,USA and Canada and it seems to be working
https://apple.news/AfI4n9OAFQTiqhX0RxnjTeg
I’ll bet weapon manufacturers around the world are rubbing their hands in glee
They’re getting a load of high tech weaponry from UK,USA and Canada and it seems to be working
https://apple.news/AfI4n9OAFQTiqhX0RxnjTeg
I’ll bet weapon manufacturers around the world are rubbing their hands in glee
Scrappy
Legendary Knight
I’m wondering whether the Ukrainian army is going to end up being one of the best equipped in the world
They’re getting a load of high tech weaponry from UK,USA and Canada and it seems to be working
https://apple.news/AfI4n9OAFQTiqhX0RxnjTeg
I’ll bet weapon manufacturers around the world are rubbing their hands in glee
The NLAW shoulder held anti tank weapons that the UK has been supplying are only single use, fire and dispose... at about $40k a shot I think I heard
Don the Don
Legendary Knight
Modern weapons are not cheap Its a licence to print money with the manufacturers, it always made me smile when some aircraft took out some Taliban Toyota truck worth about £500 with a bomb worth a million "BUT" it's better than getting our blokes killed, when you consider how much that antitank weapon cost consider how much the Tank cost and it's crew also the damage that Tank can do to you, I think the arm's manufacturers are going to have a busy time after all this we have just done a deal with Poland for three warships to be built, they will all want to modernise their kitThe NLAW shoulder held anti tank weapons that the UK has been supplying are only single use, fire and dispose... at about $40k a shot I think I heard
Old Nick
Legendary Knight
Oddly this war is becoming a powerful advert for Western arms manufacturers - if I was in the market for weapons I wouldn’t be looking at Russias suppliers
Unless I was a duck, in which any old balloon on a stick would do
Sarky B’stard
Legendary Knight
NLAW is reputedly £20k ea whereas Javelin with 3x the range and more flexible applications is £70k. Armoured vehicle design is a compromise between firepower, mobility and protection. Most of the armour is on frontal surfaces and the sides. The engine provides some protection from behind. Any more and their weight increases and so does engine, suspension etc.,
Russians went for auto loaders to remove a crew member and reduce hull size. To use an auto loader you need single piece ammunition. Challenger uses 3 pieces: projectile, charge bag and vent tube (a cartridge igniter in a magazine on the breech). The advantage of split ammo is storage the propellant - some at the back of the turret where it can blow out without incinerating tank and crew and the bulk below the turret ring. The disadvantage is slightly slower reload. We are due to move to the German gun that also use single piece rounds. Seeing all those frying pans there might be a re-think!
Russians went for auto loaders to remove a crew member and reduce hull size. To use an auto loader you need single piece ammunition. Challenger uses 3 pieces: projectile, charge bag and vent tube (a cartridge igniter in a magazine on the breech). The advantage of split ammo is storage the propellant - some at the back of the turret where it can blow out without incinerating tank and crew and the bulk below the turret ring. The disadvantage is slightly slower reload. We are due to move to the German gun that also use single piece rounds. Seeing all those frying pans there might be a re-think!