War with China/Russia

[gazzatriumph]

I certainly don't agree with taking RT off air - better to have the free debate of ideas, that is what we are supposed to represent after all.

But I would never describe RT as 'balanced reporting'

English language Al-Jazeera is much closer to being

I certainly don't agree with taking RT off air - better to have the free debate of ideas, that is what we are supposed to represent after all.

But I would never describe RT as 'balanced reporting'

English language Al-Jazeera is much closer to being 'balanced'.

DS

I've generally found RT pretty good certainly better than our MSM, Al Jazeera is also a decent news channel.

 

[Holy Shit]

This woke style banning of all Russians from everything is playing into Putins lying machine,ffs let’s have some intelligent decisions,instead of fuckwit knee jerk reactions!

 

[MartytheMartian]

The problem is that, if the Russian people aren't pressurised internationally then they won't take down Putin and this business won't end satisfactorily for anyone if Putin isn't removed as leader of Russia. Let's say for example, that he completes his annihilation of the Ukrainian nation, how is he going to hide the truth of what has been done from the Russian people? He can't and so he will need to keep them scared of him and they will be heavily oppressed from now on. Under Putin how will Ukraine re-build itself after he has finished crushing it into the dust? It will take billions, there is no chance the west will pay for it if Ukraine settles with Russia and the Russians won't be able to after having spent a fortune on the munitions to do the damage. It's also unlikely that, even if Zelensky does a deal with Putin that the people of Ukraine will not accept it now and so there will be a continual war of attrition against the occupying Russian forces. In short the only endgame that stops the Russian people and the Ukrainians suffering a whole hell of a lot worse than they already are is if they themselves pull down Putin and all his lackeys. I read that the Turks are claiming that a deal between Russia and Ukraine is getting closer but, if you were a Ukrainian, would you trust Russia after what they have done?

Putin has made the biggest goddamn mess of this business and there isn't really any way that he can extricate himself. He wants glory but whatever happens now he will not achieve that so he will either be destroyed or he will become the most awful tyrant that Russia has ever known in a long line of tyrants.

Personally I would like to see the Russian nation smashed utterly to bits. They ain't much use to the world and they have been a royal pain in the ass for a hundred years.

Even in WWII they were not our allies, we simply had a common enemy and if Russia hadn't been turned on by Germany then Stalin would have enjoyed watching the West burn.

 

[MartytheMartian]

This is perfectly normal activity in abnormal times. You would expect a carrier to be fully bombed and fuelled unless she was going into refit - it's part of being 'at readiness'. She will have turned over missile stocks because these are serviced items containing batteries etc.
As for the 'other stuff' ditto. It's entirely normal (I am familiar with the cycle) but the media will sensationalise anything. 'Send 3s 4d we're going to a dance'

I know it falls in line with 'general routine' but the timing is fortuitous should we be bound for conflict. The 'Nuclear watch' mob are keen to point out that the freshly serviced missiles going to Coulport are not unusual although they do say that there has been an unusually long gap since the last convoy. Someone told me that HMS QEII is now bound for the Mediterranean. Was that on the schedule before Putin started lining up his ducks? Add in reports of the Yanks pulling a ton of Bradley's out of storage and bunging them on trains, the exercises in Norway, Britain moving anti missile defences up to the Polish border and various other countries deploying Patriot's etc. one gets the distinct feeling that it's a not so subtle warning to Russia that we are ready to party if he starts anything more than just carrying out the slaughter a few thousands of Ukrainians. It seems that we are fairly happy as a world to let him away with a few thousand in his spree killing but even the West must have it's limits.

 

[Don the Don]

I know it falls in line with 'general routine' but the timing is fortuitous should we be bound for conflict. The 'Nuclear watch' mob are keen to point out that the freshly serviced missiles going to Coulport are not unusual although they do say that there has been an unusually long gap since the last convoy. Someone told me that HMS QEII is now bound for the Mediterranean. Was that on the schedule before Putin started lining up his ducks? Add in reports of the Yanks pulling a ton of Bradley's out of storage and bunging them on trains, the exercises in Norway, Britain moving anti missile defences up to the Polish border and various other countries deploying Patriot's etc. one gets the distinct feeling that it's a not so subtle warning to Russia that we are ready to party if he starts anything more than just carrying out the slaughter a few thousands of Ukrainians. It seems that we are fairly happy as a world to let him away with a few thousand in his spree killing but even the West must have it's limits.

"Routine" has been going on for years those big ships are always at war so to speak unless they are moored at their docks, Training, exercises, and all manner of deployments are an everyday way of life that's why some of us are well travelled and have lots of stories to tell, The HMS QEII was built to sail the seas and the far east is one of her main area's of operation also more and more training is being carried out in europe [Poland, Rumania, Estonia ect ect] as places like Canada have become too expensive so transporting equipment has become a norm, yes things are hotting up and we are building up our commitments to NATO with extra kit, I was at my old unit last week and they are working all hours sending more Aircraft to bolster up the items already in place, I don't think Putin wants an all out war but being prepared is the way to be.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

I don't doubt there's messaging going on but social media is stuffed with armchair generals itching to deploy! Being seen to be prepared is no bad thing


As for the Russian people I actually feel sorry for their miserable history and the way their natural love of country has been cruelly abused by Tsars, Commies and Kleptocrats who have been equally corrupt and indifferent to their suffering. The smart thing to do is ensure they don't feel obliged to line up behind the current tyrant. Russians are not the problem but Putin & Co certainly are. We need more in the vein of Arnie.

 

[MartytheMartian]

The problem is getting to the Russian people and persuading them that their future is not with Putin. He knows that and that's why he has brought in a media blackout and is playing 'whack a mole' with anyone who speaks out. As I've said numerous times the best possible outcome is for the Russian people to get rid of Putin and he knows it as do all his buddies.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

The Russian people are far from uniform in their opinions but all know where dissent could lead. Opposition isn't far from the surface and Putin only enjoys the active support of those who directly benefit from his kleptocracy.

 

[DD67]

Putin only enjoys the active support of those who directly benefit from his kleptocracy.

I knew it.
The dirty shoplifting b@stard!
I bet he's getting his cronies roasting joints & big blocks of cheese etc

 

[Sarky B’stard]

I knew it.
The dirty shoplifting b@stard!

Spoken like a Fence.

 

[DD67]

 

[Scrappy]

 

[MICK60]

I wish i could believe that. But the little bastard, has got too much of a grip on the country, to let that happen.

 

[Scrappy]

I wish i could believe that. But the little bastard, has got too much of a grip on the country, to let that happen.

Apparently he is purging the "traitors", so if they don't do something soon there may not be many so inclined left

 

[DD67]

 

[Don the Don]

Russian troops deliberately kill own commanding officer, Western officials say

The soldiers acted because of a huge death toll in their brigade, Western officials said.

www.forces.net

 

[MartytheMartian]

I see they also site a lack of 'battlefield medical care' adding to death tolls. Seems that Russia's ideas of how to care for troops are as barbaric as they were during WWII. I wish we could see an end to this crap and that Ukraine could be spared the barbarism of the feckin' Russki's but I suspect it's only going to get worse and more horrific as the days roll on and we will watch from the sidelines.

Earlier tonight there was some knob from London on Facebook, apparently he is some big shot 'Technology Penetration Tester' for Price Cooper Waterhouse, telling everyone that he is an 'expert' on the situation out there and that Ukraine should have let Putin 'teach them a lesson about loyalty' and it would then have been 'all good' and that this whole thing is some sort of ploy by Russia to teach NATO and the West a lesson. He says that the West is to blame for Ukrainian losses because we have supplied them with the weapons to defy Putin.

 

[Sarky B’stard]

I see they also site a lack of 'battlefield medical care' adding to death tolls. Seems that Russia's ideas of how to care for troops are as barbaric as they were during WWII. I wish we could see an end to this crap and that Ukraine could be spared the barbarism of the feckin' Russki's but I suspect it's only going to get worse and more horrific as the days roll on and we will watch from the sidelines.

Earlier tonight there was some knob from London on Facebook, apparently he is some big shot 'Technology Penetration Tester' for Price Cooper Waterhouse, telling everyone that he is an 'expert' on the situation out there and that Ukraine should have let Putin 'teach them a lesson about loyalty' and it would then have been 'all good' and that this whole thing is some sort of ploy by Russia to teach NATO and the West a lesson. He says that the West is to blame for Ukrainian losses because we have supplied them with the weapons to defy Putin.

Sounds like he needs one of these up his jacksie. Miznay-Shardin effect.......

 

[MICK60]

Sounds like he needs one of these up his jacksie. Miznay-Shardin effect.......

That exploded before it made contact. How the fuck does that work then ?

 

[MICK60]

I see they also site a lack of 'battlefield medical care' adding to death tolls. Seems that Russia's ideas of how to care for troops are as barbaric as they were during WWII. I wish we could see an end to this crap and that Ukraine could be spared the barbarism of the feckin' Russki's but I suspect it's only going to get worse and more horrific as the days roll on and we will watch from the sidelines.

Earlier tonight there was some knob from London on Facebook, apparently he is some big shot 'Technology Penetration Tester' for Price Cooper Waterhouse, telling everyone that he is an 'expert' on the situation out there and that Ukraine should have let Putin 'teach them a lesson about loyalty' and it would then have been 'all good' and that this whole thing is some sort of ploy by Russia to teach NATO and the West a lesson. He says that the West is to blame for Ukrainian losses because we have supplied them with the weapons to defy Putin.

America has been pushing NATO to increase it's presence in that area, for ages. It has also been leading the charge, to impose sanctions on Russia for a good few years now. I think they wanted a war, to replace the one in Afghanistan. As they do like to keep the military industrial complex well funded So to an extent, they are to blame. In fact, i dare say they have considered all the possible senario's in their war games, and are prepared to sacrifice Ukraine, and probably Poland, and Romania too. There is a cabal of people, that make an absolute fortune out of wars, and they have so much influence, it's unreal.