What does woke mean to you?

DD67

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gazzatriumph said:
What these woke morons will do next as always, they will start promoting that anyone who is against wokeness is a far right racist,
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They've been doing that for years Gazza.
To them it's their way or you're right wing 🙄
They fail to acknowledge the truth. Which is they make up approx 2% of the population. Genuine right wing folk make up another 2%.
Leaving the other 96% of us in neither extreme group.
Yet the far left will happily chuck us in with the far right for daring to push back against their far left, bullshit agenda!
 
gazzatriumph

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DD67 said:
They've been doing that for years Gazza.
To them it's their way or you're right wing 🙄
They fail to acknowledge the truth. Which is they make up approx 2% of the population. Genuine right wing folk make up another 2%.
Leaving the other 96% of us in neither extreme group.
Yet the far left will happily chuck us in with the far right for daring to push back against their far left, bullshit agenda!
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See I was right then, just a few years late 😉
 
Doc Strange

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Now I've always considered myself one of the 'Left', albeit one of the more anarchitst/liberal kind, been veggie for nearly 40 years, and will happily ride an electric bike when one comes along that can do what I want, but....

....I think that healthy discussion is better than shouting at those you disagree with.

And more effective at winning converts too. Extinction Rebellion boil my piss not because I am not concerned about climate change, but because they put folks off the cause of dealing with it!

'Woke' is a ghetto, which while small numerically, is far too influential in the media and education.

DS
 
DD67

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Doc Strange said:
....I think that healthy discussion is better than shouting at those you disagree with.
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Spot on Doc! There should be no other way mate.
However, in my experience. Whenever I've attempted to discuss/disagree with left leaning opinions. I've been immediately & incorrectly labelled right wing.
Even though I'm fully aware that only happened in an attempt to silence me. It really got my back up & I used to get very vocal about that fact.
Unfortunately, that played into their hands & made it easier to label me a yob.
Nowadays I stay ultra calm & keep politely asking for answers which they find impossible to provide. Whilst I'm smiling the whole time. Most have no idea how to cope with that approach.
Eventually they snap & let themselves down 😉
 
DD67

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chas said:
The reverse is true too. I can't abide people hiding behind closed thinking by throwing a dismissive label on the opposing view.
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IMHO, the huge & inescapable difference is...
If someone says a belief makes an individual left leaning. Chances are, that is not only an accurate statement. It also couldn't be considered to be offensive.
Unlike if someone whose beliefs aren't left leaning. Is accused of being right leaning.
Not being left leaning doesn't automatically equate to right leaning. A fact that is often overlooked by some folk.
 
chas

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DD67 said:
IMHO, the huge & inescapable difference is...
If someone says a belief makes an individual left leaning. Chances are, that is not only an accurate statement. It also couldn't be considered to be offensive.
Unlike if someone whose beliefs aren't left leaning. Is accused of being right leaning.
Not being left leaning doesn't automatically equate to right leaning. A fact that is often overlooked by some folk.
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That's bollox.

Narrowmindedness is narrowmindedness. It's not dexter or sinister.
 
MartytheMartian

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I recently re-watched the entire collection of the series 'Through the Wormhole' with Morgan Freeman and there is a fascinating piece in one episode where they studied the brains of Socialists (or democrats being American) and Conservatives (or Republicans) while showing them details of various things. While the piece is quite brief I have read other stuff about this study as well and it is fascinating.

What they basically found was that, when shown details of topics such as Immigration, the economy etc. was that 'Conservatives' show most of the activity in the Hippocampus and are basically thinking 'will this work' 'is it worth the gamble' 'could this be damaging' etc. Where the Socialists trigger their emotional centres and think 'Oh my God poor souls needing a new home'. ' Dear me those poor unemployed people' and suchlike. Basically one considers the consequences and makes a decision on what will and will not work and how it will affect the future for themselves and their own people where the other think they have to save the poor people because it's the right thing to do and they leave others to think of the consequences or simply refuse to accept that there might be negative consequences from 'doing the right thing'.

I recommend Through the Wormhole to anyone with an enquiring mind as it's a very enlightening series. I particularly found the episode where they discovered that, when confronted by a white person or a black person who might be holding a gun even black people are more likely to pull the trigger on a black man than a white man with the conclusion being simply that all people perceive a young black man to be more likely to be aggressive and violent than a white person.
 
DD67

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MartytheMartian said:
What they basically found was that, when shown details of topics such as Immigration, the economy etc. was that 'Conservatives' show most of the activity in the Hippocampus and are basically thinking 'will this work' 'is it worth the gamble' 'could this be damaging' etc. Where the Socialists trigger their emotional centres and think 'Oh my God poor souls needing a new home'. ' Dear me those poor unemployed people' and suchlike. Basically one considers the consequences and makes a decision on what will and will not work and how it will affect the future for themselves and their own people where the other think they have to save the poor people because it's the right thing to do and they leave others to think of the consequences or simply refuse to accept that there might be negative consequences from 'doing the right thing'.
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That definitely sounds like it's worth a watch Marty.
What I've quoted above is exactly how I see the two groups thinking.
I just couldn't have put it so well, or so concisely 🙂
 
MartytheMartian

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The thing of course @Doc Strange is that the brain scans are direct evidence and proof which can't be denied which is something some people don't like. Interestingly that refusal to accept truth is covered in another episode where another group of scientists did brain scans of people while confronting them with truths. The subject chosen was a biker from London who was also a smoker. When confronted with the risks of cancer from smoking and motorcycling his brain stuck it's fingers in it's ears and didn't listen :D but when confronted with facts of risks that were lower than the subject expected his brain was all ears. Again I think the key is to have a balanced brain that doesn't run screaming from risk but accepts and calculates them.
 
DD67

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Scrappy said:
Morgan Freeman is a good bloke too, he doesn't tollerate any of the race bating bullshit.
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3.3K people hit the dislike button for this.
What the hell do they dislike about it?
Could it be that an intelligent & level headed man such as Mr Freeman is refusing to play the victim? And he's pointing out a few facts? 🤔
I've always rated Mr Freeman as an actor. Now I hold him in extremely high regard as a man as well 🙂
 
MartytheMartian

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"A good excuse for not getting there" Morgan Freeman is so right about that. I see the same thing with the Scots now as is going on with Ethnic minorities. Rather than work like a maniac to pile up money, if that's what you want it's so easy to blame someone else and not accept that the fault is your own. In Scotland the SNP following muppets all sit on their asses and blame England because they are skint saying it's those nasty boys South of the Wall and in 'Wastemonster' (What a pathetic 'nasty name') who are to blame rather than making an effort to earn what they want. Just sit on your ass and blame someone else because you don't have stuff. Personally I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I don't blame anyone for that. Money just doesn't mean enough to me to dedicate my waking life to it's pursuit. I have known a few business men over the years and by Christ they put in the hours pursuing those pound notes.

It's like the person who will say to me " I wish I could play guitar, or bagpipes, or paint like you". What they don't see is that it's taken me hours and hours of dedication and practice to be able to do those things.

I blame the Labour Party, and the Unions, in Scotland for paving the way for the grievance mongering and division that has allowed the SNP to prosper. When the mines, steel etc. was going to the wall and the unions were driving Scottish industry out of business Labour nipped in with, "there there it's not your fault it's those big bad English tories who are screwing you. The SNP have fed on that like a cancer and now the clan MacMuppets spit the word Tory at anyone who disagrees with them.
 
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